Discussion about the ents, spiders and wolves crashes.

**leo.civil.uefs** · April 18, 2020, 09:50 PM

So the mistery of spider crashes goes on...

By the way, they fixed Ents crashing in TATW: Reforged and it had something with vertex assignment, if Im not mistaken.

**leo.civil.uefs** · April 19, 2020, 05:31 PM

It seems like someone else already know the answer and fixed the problem.
Check it in our discord channel

https://discord.gg/wNhakg

**King Athelstan** · April 21, 2020, 06:23 AM

The discord link doesn't appear to be working

**nadalio** · April 21, 2020, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs

It seems like someone else already know the answer and fixed the problem.
Check it in our discord channel

https://discord.gg/wNhakg

I answer them on discord.
You can PM me.

**leo.civil.uefs** · April 22, 2020, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by King Athelstan

The discord link doesn't appear to be working

It never does, I never get it to work.

**King Athelstan** · April 23, 2020, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by leo.civil.uefs

It never does, I never get it to work.

Did you try editing the link so it doesn't expire and has a larger number of uses?

**Roma_Victrix** · April 23, 2020, 07:41 PM

Hi guys! Reporting in to offer bad news thus far at least for my version of MOS 1.7 on my Acer laptop, admittedly playing on very high settings because I can do that comfortably with this and other M2TW Kingdoms mods now that I have a laptop with a better graphics card. I basically did what I said I was going to do here and alas, the game had a CTD almost immediately after starting the battle. Luckily for me, though, I've never had a CTD with Mumakil, not even on my older HP Pavilion laptop which had a crap "Family Graphics" card, so at the very least that's not an issue. I have only rarely fought Ents, like 3 or 4 times total, and maybe one battle with wolves in my entire experience playing MOS, but I do remember that the battles worked when I temporarily kicked the graphics settings down. Looks like I'll have to continue doing that with spiders, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Roma_Victrix

Cool! Thanks for letting me know. It's great that you guys are still working on this after all these years. I just downloaded those files and put them in the appropriate folders. I will let you know what happens. I'll start a random temporary new campaign and do some cheats to immediately move_character a general with an army over to that remote island in the northwest with the 3 spider units. That's what made the game crash for me, although I've unfortunately had the game crash in the past during pivotal crusade sieges fighting Mordor and had to replay them on low graphics due to the damn spiders. Hopefully that never happens again with this particular fix, because the AI usually doesn't bring more than one or two spider mercenary units to a single battle. I'll let you know the results in the thread you linked to above.

**Veteraan** · April 24, 2020, 03:17 AM

Thanks Roma, it seems the bounding spheres fix alone won't be the magical bullet after all, although I initially got some very hopeful results in MOS, But it is not uncommon to have spells where the creatures play nice for a while, before crashing and starting to spoil the fun. I do think there is some benefit to this fix though, during my MOS 1.7 testing I pulled of some battles I never ever have been able to play, like 19 Ent units versus 20 Wolves.

I have been busy with the Toolbox myself, fixing all the units in my current test version of DCI:LA. I'm playing a campaign right now and hope to encounter some crash prone creatures while playing. Would be good to get a feel if it perhaps now is at least tolerable in normal circumstances (very few creature units present in battles). Anecdotal evidence at best though, I'm afraid. It would take a lot of testing by quite a few people to get some solid answers. That is not going the happen.

Looks like the edited models some mods use, will be the only way. I tried to get those a few years ago, but that didn't work well, as I got only some instructions in the end which we couldn't get to work at all. A few people are at this still though, I hope at least. So we might yet see a solution.

And a tip for you, Roma. If you want to test something like certain creatures crashing, a custom battle is a wonderful way to do that.

**nadalio** · April 25, 2020, 02:50 AM

As others said it's a wrong assignment to bones and other animation issuel.
But there is another factor that is important in the behaviour of a mount based unit,
the descr_mount.txt.
I read the guide on TWC, but what's the links between animation/ bones and settings like radius, height, mass, ecc?
Does anybody knows what are the right settings if you create a new unit like spiders?
Maybe this is a weak point that help to create crashes

**z3n** · July 07, 2020, 08:41 PM

Something strange for creature battles - there were crashes with the giant bats unit from PcP whenever two 120 man units of archers were not present in the battle.

I had two units of 12 men each (two handed swordsmen), whenever only they were present the battle would crash.

**Veteraan** · September 02, 2020, 10:23 AM

Copy of the text I posted earlier in the OP of this thread:

After more than five years, there is finally some good, or perhaps I should say, excellent news to report about the Creature crashes problem. In collaboration with Jojo00182, Louis Lux has come up with a solution that actually works. Well, it certainly looks like it and having personally been involved in the the testing of this fix, I can confirm that it looks very promising indeed. Or to give you an idea, I have played multiple custom battles with 40 units of different creatures (Ents, Spiders, Wolves, Sauron(s), and Balrog(s) without any crashes. Mûmakil have not been changed, as they rarely seem to crash.

Be advised that this fix is guaranteed to work for Third Age Total War only!

You can find the fix and the complete credits HERE.