OOC Argument June 8, 2015

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 04:36 PM

I know. I tried to go around lords and recruit but the thread was ignored, despite the fact I asked for it to be modded twice.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 04:42 PM

I still feel the lords should be rolled at Highgarden, I never got a chance to get any lords on side, despite having that thread posted for a day or two.

**Honors Bastion** · June 08, 2015, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Skylord_Conor21

I know. I tried to go around lords and recruit but the thread was ignored, despite the fact I asked for it to be modded twice.

We ignored it for good reason. You were doing terribly in the Black Council thread and in the Highgarden meeting. If we had moderated your thread, it was widely agreed upon that even more Reach lords would have been pushed to the Greens, screwing BF over completely.

Originally Posted by Pontifex Maximus

Well you're about to get a knight or two.

Uh oh.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Honors Bastion

We ignored it for good reason. You were doing terribly in the Black Council thread and in the Highgarden meeting. If we had moderated your thread, it was widely agreed upon that even more Reach lords would have been pushed to the Greens, screwing BF over completely.

Uh oh.

You couldn't say that for certain. And BF is screwed over now anyway, because Tyrell will declare Green and they will all be Green anyway.

**Gandalfus** · June 08, 2015, 04:56 PM

Poor Footly. Even the mods think he's incompetent

**Dirty Chai** · June 08, 2015, 04:58 PM

Well, no complaints of rushing from now, considering someone just basically made it so that the Reach will undoubtedly join Aegon, through just like a couple of easy rolls.
I give no

s about being nice now.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bastard Feudalism

Well, no complaints of rushing from now, considering someone just basically made it so that the Reach will undoubtedly join Aegon, through just like a couple of easy rolls.
I give no

s about being nice now.

The Reach was going to join Aegon anyway, because I am "incompetent" and because I was refused a chance, even though I had my thread up before the meeting at Highgarden.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 04:58 PM

Well then, Lucius wasted the

ing characters he used to right the letters then

**Gandalfus** · June 08, 2015, 05:02 PM

Ahhh

I don't know, just seems like a big clusterpoop to me.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 05:06 PM

Yeah, it's just

ing ridiculous. We should have stayed with the last setting.

**Velasco** · June 08, 2015, 05:09 PM

I don't get how Lady Tyrell is constantly moaning about how she is the only one who doesn't get any prize from this when Jace has hinted more than once he wants her as Queen. The Greens have nothing to offer her or her son, other than making the Tyrells secondary to the Hightowers, and yet she is blind to this

**Dirty Chai** · June 08, 2015, 05:10 PM

Well, now the Reach is convinced I'm giving full power to Footly, which I never did

**Velasco** · June 08, 2015, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bastard Feudalism

Well, now the Reach is convinced I'm giving full power to Footly, which I never did

If Lady Alla has one ounce of common sense she will realize it's a forgery, considering Jace evidently wants to marry her. She is worthless if her son is deposed/dead, and worthless if she's married to Footly of all people.

**Trot** · June 08, 2015, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Velasco

If Lady Alla has one ounce of common sense she will realize it's a forgery, considering Jace evidently wants to marry her. She is worthless if her son is deposed/dead, and worthless if she's married to Footly of all people.

Especially with Rowan and Tarly as loyalists. Both have better claims to Highgarden.

**The Mad Skylord** · June 08, 2015, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Trot

Especially with Rowan and Tarly as loyalists. Both have better claims to Highgarden.

Footly only has a small claim, and ironically, it's through his Great Aunt. The current lady and lord of HIghgarden are cousins I think. Footly has no recorded Gardner lineage simply because GRR hasn't told us anything about them

**Lucius Malfoy** · June 08, 2015, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Velasco

If Lady Alla has one ounce of common sense she will realize it's a forgery, considering Jace evidently wants to marry her. She is worthless if her son is deposed/dead, and worthless if she's married to Footly of all people.

Dude the letter was written by a Grand Maester. It would require the eyes of a Maester and a roll to detect if its a forgery. She can't just glance and say, oh forgery. Nope, requires a trained eye and a good roll. Give that it was written by a Grand Maester though, chances are low she can detect its a fake.

Originally Posted by Trot

Especially with Rowan and Tarly as loyalists. Both have better claims to Highgarden.

With Footly being so vocal though, Aegon played upon that and used it to play upon any fears that could exist among the Reachlords. Doesn't matter if Rowan and Tarly are loyalists, every single Reachlord's family has a claim on the Reach thanks to Garth Greenhand. And so far, Footly is the biggest and most vocal supporter of Rhaenyra. So use that and boom, you got a mess.

**Trot** · June 08, 2015, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lucius Malfoy

Dude the letter was written by a Grand Maester. It would require the eyes of a Maester and a roll to detect if its a forgery. She can't just glance and say, oh forgery. Nope, requires a trained eye and a good roll. Give that it was written by a Grand Maester though, chances are low she can detect its a fake.

Shouldn't the quality of the forgery be rolled. It also wouldn't have had Deamon's seal since you don't have that.

**Lucius Malfoy** · June 08, 2015, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Trot

Shouldn't the quality of the forgery be rolled. It also wouldn't have had Deamon's seal since you don't have that.

We are talking about a Grand Maester. I had the event rolled and Jokern modded it and did the rest.

**Velasco** · June 08, 2015, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Lucius Malfoy

Dude the letter was written by a Grand Maester. It would require the eyes of a Maester and a roll to detect if its a forgery. She can't just glance and say, oh forgery. Nope, requires a trained eye and a good roll. Give that it was written by a Grand Maester though, chances are low she can detect its a fake.

With Footly being so vocal though, Aegon played upon that and used it to play upon any fears that could exist among the Reachlords. Doesn't matter if Rowan and Tarly are loyalists, every single Reachlord's family has a claim on the Reach thanks to Garth Greenhand. And so far, Footly is the biggest and most vocal supporter of Rhaenyra. So use that and boom, you got a mess.

- We're not discussing the handwriting (I doubt Lady Alla has examples of Daemon's handwriting to hand, assuming she can read). I'm saying the actual logic makes no sense. The Blacks had no idea Aegon was going to usurp the throne. When the usurpation did happen, the Black strategy was to try and win Lady Alla over. Giving the entire Reach to Lord Footly (who can contribute a relatively paltry number of troops) instead of winning over Lord Tyrell (still alive at the time the letter was written, and capable of lending something like 8 times as many men) makes no strategic sense. At all, whatsoever. In addition to Jace's own stated desire to marry Alla herself, which only makes sense so long as her son lives and is the Lord of Highgarden.

- The Footlys are a relatively middling family (to be generous) and not one of the Gardener ones. If the Paramountal title was being palmed off surely the Blacks would have the modicum of good sense to approach the Oakhearts or Florents, far more influential and stronger claims than the Footlys.