i think ebteam need to ask technical help from ca

**ekdqn** · June 07, 2015, 01:38 AM

M2TW engine do not allow phalanx testuto lethality
no phalanx testuto and lethality is not eb mod

**Frtigern** · June 07, 2015, 03:09 AM

The hellenic greek phalanx doesn't do testudo. The roman republican units dont do testudo either. Not sure about late roman units though. Have they released them all yet?

**Frtigern** · June 07, 2015, 04:57 AM

I just checked the custom battle roster. It doesn't look like the Romans have as full of a roster yet as EB 1. I saw the Camillan and Polybian units in there, like Hastati, Principes and Triarii but no Marian or Imperial units yet. The testudo was probably introduced after the Marian reforms. In EB1 Marian and Imperial legionaries could make testudo, which may be because the Rome Total War vanilla already had that in the game. In M2TW there is no testudo formation so that may be why it may not be possible to include it. I'm not positive though. Is there testudo in M2TW mods? Is it possible to create it?

**ekdqn** · June 10, 2015, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Frtigern

I just checked the custom battle roster. It doesn't look like the Romans have as full of a roster yet as EB 1. I saw the Camillan and Polybian units in there, like Hastati, Principes and Triarii but no Marian or Imperial units yet. The testudo was probably introduced after the Marian reforms. In EB1 Marian and Imperial legionaries could make testudo, which may be because the Rome Total War vanilla already had that in the game. In M2TW there is no testudo formation so that may be why it may not be possible to include it. I'm not positive though. Is there testudo in M2TW mods? Is it possible to create it?

ca can create it

**Wulfburk** · June 07, 2015, 10:05 AM

Testudo is useless. No help from CA needed.

**ekdqn** · June 10, 2015, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by Wulfburk

Testudo is useless. No help from CA needed.

you dont need phalanx and lethality too?

**QuintusSertorius** · June 10, 2015, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by ekdqn

you dont need phalanx and lethality too?

There is no lethality in the M2TW engine. It's less sophisticated than the RTW engine was, but hey, spiffier graphics!

**ekdqn** · June 10, 2015, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

There is no lethality in the M2TW engine. It's less sophisticated than the RTW engine was, but hey, spiffier graphics!

that is why i am talking about ca's help

**Primative1** · June 10, 2015, 05:53 AM

Spiffier graphics is what its all about!

**~~excubitor~~** · June 10, 2015, 12:03 PM

the op is actually making fun with all the "phalanx doesnt work" etc threads,the best part is where he suggests the EB team to ask help from CA-who if anyone is to blame phalanxes dont work is them

**k/t** · June 10, 2015, 04:58 PM

The M2 engine allows you to do things that you can't do in Rome, so it's not less sophisticated. Some things were removed, some were added.

CA is not going to help in any way. It's too busy making crappy games and ripping off fools.

**demagogos nicator** · June 10, 2015, 05:39 PM

The M2 engine allows you to do things that you can't do in Rome, so it's not less sophisticated. Some things were removed, some were added.

Maybe I am not observative enough but except crusades, more factions and multiple textures (models?) per unit I have not noticed any important feature whcih M2TW engine brought and have not yet been implemented by modders to RTW mods (even thinks like authority/rebelions, reemerging factions, different clases of settlements and customized battlemap settlements are becoming the reality in new sophisticated RTW mods).

**z3n** · June 10, 2015, 05:55 PM

Off the top of my head in RTW minor settlements weren't possible, as were quite a large number of scripting features, ai files were non existent, 'real' reforms were a lot more difficult to do, animations not quite at the same level.

There were things missing in MTW2 of course... From the few CA blogs I've read it seems they always redo code bases- for example with empire tw they started off with their own new code base until it got so complex it fell apart (the ai), so they had to go back to rtw's codebase take it and work on the AI from there. Why they do that I'll never understand unless I go into their game industry. Personally I think you should always build on what you have and keep those features- but I suppose there might be memory allocation problems in the exe if they kept too many unused features for each game.

In my opinion MTW2 is better for modding than RTW was because there are more possibilities and things are easier to do. (as an old rtw modder) to explain what I mean- lets say you want to create CAI recruitment priority for a specific unit, in RTW my tests showed that you had to make a units upkeep/cost less than a unit of similar quality- that way the AI will prioritize that unit. (it was one of my prouder moments as a modder when I discovered that, because it was so hard to mod that ai) However in MTW2 you can simply use the recruitment priority offset which makes things a lot easier (though I am not sure the AI pays as much attention to that as it would upkeep/initial cost in comparison to other units at its recruitment disposal).

**ekdqn** · June 10, 2015, 11:24 PM

no no CA can add them in M2TW engine so some one need to ask them

**QuintusSertorius** · June 11, 2015, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by ekdqn

no no CA can add them in M2TW engine so some one need to ask them

Dude, you're dreaming. CA don't care about M2TW, it's a game long in their past which is a negligible revenue stream. Why would they bother doing anything to help modders, who aren't paying for the privilege beyond their initial purchase?

**ekdqn** · June 11, 2015, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

Dude, you're dreaming. CA don't care about M2TW, it's a game long in their past which is a negligible revenue stream. Why would they bother doing anything to help modders, who aren't paying for the privilege beyond their initial purchase?

do you know viking conquest dlc of mount and blade?
it was a mod but campany hire this competent moders
i think we can pay for eb2 mod dont you think?

**Darkan** · June 11, 2015, 03:14 AM

I guess the thread should be closed now, the OP question has been answered, nobody will ask CA.

**ekdqn** · June 11, 2015, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Darkan

I guess the thread should be closed now, the OP question has been answered, nobody will ask CA.

what is OP meaning

**Shadowwalker** · June 11, 2015, 04:09 AM

OP = opening post

And about the whole thread: it's like proposing to ask Microsoft if they could fix a bug with Windows 3.1., please.

CA has released 4 (5? 6? don't know, didn't buy any TW game after Medieval II since I don't use Steam) TW games since MII TW which sold well, why should they care about a game that is played by a couple thousand nerds only, anymore?