Hello. I am wondering if spearman still gets penalty in attack when agains infantry?

[Yarrr009]

Many spear melee units' attack would be awfully low if so...

[QuintusSertorius]

They don't, because they all use the light_spear attribute. That gives a bracing bonus against cavalry, but no penalty against infantry.

It's the spear attribute that gives a penalty against infantry, and it's only used by phalanxes.

[Yarrr009]

They don't, because they all use the light_spear attribute. That gives a bracing bonus against cavalry, but no penalty against infantry.

It's the spear attribute that gives a penalty against infantry, and it's only used by phalanxes.

You are consultant. BTW, early Principe gets 5 attack points in game only, I thought it was kind of annoying.

[Thuycidides]

You are consultant. BTW, early Principe gets 5 attack points in game only, I thought it was kind of annoying.

That comes from the underhand spear animation, where every overhand spearman is at least 8 attack, and all the others have less.

The Hastati cost 33% less and have 10 attack. After unit costs are adjusted, will Hastati cost more than Principes?

[QuintusSertorius]

That comes from the underhand spear animation, where every overhand spearman is at least 8 attack, and all the others have less.

The Hastati cost 33% less and have 10 attack. After unit costs are adjusted, will Hastati cost more than Principes?

No, costs aren't based on attack values; they're based on status, training, and equipment.

Camillan Hastati have a sword attack of 9, not 10. Camillan Principes have a spear attack of 4 (with spear_bonus_4 against cavalry).

[Thuycidides]

So why should any recruit camillian principes? That is the question I'm trying to spell out. If their cost is between hastati and triarii, and their stats are the worst of the three...

[V.T. Marvin]

1.- Role-playing...
2.- Cavalry protection...

[Hummer]

I find principes survive much better than hastati. My hastati are constantly dieing and I use the 2 units basically interchangeably. I find the principes much better than hastati...

[Sint]

Is there a reason why they only have 4 attack?

[QuintusSertorius]

Is there a reason why they only have 4 attack?

Underarm grip on their spears.

[z3n]

Sometimes animations/skeleton matter a lot more than attack in terms of making a unit more effective a lot more so than it was with RTW.

[Dago Red]

That's a very big factor indeed. BC worked a long time to correct an issue where swordsmen, even the most elite Ghulams and Knights would get far less kills than poorer units with spears, maces or axes, etc, due to their animation. They were shield bashing more than anything and their sword strike attacks were constantly resetting so that the animation rarely followed through. I see something very similar playing out with EB's overhand spear attack....

[z3n]

The overhand spear anim shield bashing is very likely intentional, hoplites were quite into pushing and thats probably representing that.