Roman units missing cloaks

[Tyiallyradil]

Hello there,

It bugs me that even the elite / royale Roman units dont have cloaks, which would fit them perfectly.

Some roman lower tier units have different names than they speak about themselves when we click on or command them.

Is there a way to do something about these?

Regards

[shawn858]

I'm glad there's hardly any cloaks, you'd look dumb if you fought in a real battle with a cloak on.

Do you know how easy it would be to get a cloak caught in something while you're fighting? You wouldn't want a cloak to get wrapped around your arm or sword or leg, or to get caught on a branch or someone elses weapon.



You can try to add them in yourself if you can figure out how, but personally I"m glad there's no cloaks, it looks silly

[Friar Chris]

I'm glad there's hardly any cloaks, you'd look dumb if you fought in a real battle with a cloak on.

Do you know how easy it would be to get a coak caught in something while your're fighting? You wouldn't want a cloak to get wrapped around your arm or sword or leg, or to get caught on a branch or someone elses weapon.



You can't try to add them in yourself if you can figure out how, but personally I"m glad there's no cloaks, it looks silly

I agree.

At most it wouldn't be totally silly to see cloaked figures in the cavalry escorting a general on the field (who don't actually expect to fight) or on troops engaged in skirmishing or irregular warfare... Other than that, though, cloaks are a liability in battle that contribute extra weight, can get caught on armour, weapons, could trip you (or a comrade) onto the floor, and swish around making for an easy target for an enemy to grab and grapple you with from a distance while his mate sticks his sword or spear through your ribs.

I'm of the impression most cloaks were marching gear; a very sensible protection against all sorts of weather and highly adaptable for use as extra shelter or as a blanket for soldiers on campaign, but like one's pack, shovel or pots and pans, not something you carry onto the field to fight in.

[Tyiallyradil]

Correct me if I am wrong, but if I remember well, for some elite units the different elaborated cloaks served as status symbole as the part of their gear even in the battlefield.

As for the common soldiers, the cloak could be used to be seen wider, bulkier, more terrifying ect to trick the enemy to reduce their morale.

Another purpopse could be that with cloaks that the number of the soldiers in the army could be seen larger than it was in reality.

I am sure that this has been used for some tactics.

If you could help me how to restore cloak to some of the elite units, I would be pleased

[Friar Chris]

As for the common soldiers, the cloak could be used to be seen wider, bulkier, more terrifying ect to trick the enemy to reduce their morale.

Another purpopse could be that with cloaks that the number of the soldiers in the army could be seen larger than it was in reality.

This really just isn't realistic; no soldier expects a cloak to scare an enemy and the price he pays is that that cloak is going to make him less combat effective and reduce his own chance of surviving the battle. The effect of a cloak on the perceived mass of an army is also non-existent; no competent scout or officer would be fooled by the bulk of coloured cloaks into over-estimating the size of an opposing force; if everybody wore cloaks then they'd be fully aware of just what a force wearing cloaks of any size is

Yes, almost every unit, elite and otherwise, would have been equipped with cloaks; elite units probably had special colours or designs denoting their assignment. That doesn't make them battlefield gear; cloaks are clothing for when marching, off-duty and perhaps when on patrol where one doesn't expect to fight a pitched battle but might be exposed to the elements for hours.

[Grizwald714]

U would have to edit the variant meshes to put the cloaks back on either through PFM or through the variant editor in the attilia tools. Their are bunch of tutorials if u look around that explains how to do it.

[shawn858]

If wearing a cloak to trick the enemy force into believing you have more men than you do was a viable tactic, it would have been used widely by various peoples.

Warfare is like evolution, what's necessary and what works is what stays and what a lot of people will use, if it doesn't work then that certain style of weapon/armor/tactic dies out with the people that used them.

[Friar Chris]

If wearing a cloak to trick the enemy force into believing you have more men than you do was a viable tactic, it would have been used widely by various peoples.

And given that everyone would have known about this 'trick' as a result, they probably wouldn't have been fooled by it! Certainly not their trained scouts.

[Tyiallyradil]

Could someone help me how to put cloaks on units anyways?

I have the PFM installed and used 1-2 times to change some unit values.

I would appreciate any help.