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    A Very Good Documentary on The religions based on the 'bible'. And much so that of Christianity.
    It explores the supposed events of Jesus's life, and what happened afterwards.
    The time line of 'Jesus died', everyone forgot. 50 years later everyone remembered.
    Or that some in that day believed jesus in fact existed some 200 years before the 'known events' and believed that,
    before the 'known events' even took place. And that Saul of Tarsus,
    (the only record before the gospels, the gospels being some 50 years after Jesus's supposed death) never placed jesus on earth,
    But in A mythical realm. And then, only the last 3 events of the jesus timeline.
    Jesus also shares Many hero traits, with many other mythical figures of the time.
    Such as resurrection, stars at their birth, unusual pregnancies, son of a god, ect.

    It also explores Other aspects of religion.
    A very interesting question is raised. which has been raised on here before too.

    Why, are leaders allowed to base their actions on 'faith'
    when if their 'faith' was based in that of Zeus, it would not be allowed?
    Each have equal evidence of existence, i.e none.
    on another interesting note, the first celebration of easter was 2500bc

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ocidfeed&hl=en
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    Old stuff. Just the people need some beacon to give their life some kind of hypothetical (which they cannot admit being hypothetical, even to themselves) meaning, what can we do?
    I sin for the good of humankind
    "I praise, I do not reproach, [nihilism's] arrival. I believe it is one of the greatest crises, a moment of the deepest self-reflection of humanity. Whether man recovers from it, whether he becomes master of this crisis, is a question of his strength."
    -Nietzsche
    Truth is not a law, a democracy, a book or a norm not even a constitution. Nor can it be read in the stars.

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    If people need to question first, and then, only afterwards, they try to understand (if they are lucky), what can we do? The situation is symmetrical, I'm afraid. :wink:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    If people need to question first, and then, only afterwards, they try to understand (if they are lucky), what can we do? The situation is symmetrical, I'm afraid. :wink:
    People must question first. One cannot understand through blind faith in what one is told being right, it is simply not possible. Without questioning, we fail to understand anything.

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    A very interesting article indeed, and something I will keep in mind
    Ummon: Why understand what is fallible? Why care to learn what is false?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silver guard View Post
    A very interesting article indeed, and something I will keep in mind
    Ummon: Why understand what is fallible? Why care to learn what is false?
    Because you don't know that it's false, you only desire that it is.

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    No, I am 99% certain that it is false. 99% because I believe nothing is absolutly certain, but that it is so unlikely it is beyond consideration. I do not desire it to be false, to be honest if it was proven true the only problem I would have is that I was wrong about something.

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    To take judgement based on a vast and comprehensive knowledge of reality, already is a rash bahaviour. Imagine judging when one knows little.

    48. The Well

    Wood is below, water above. The wood goes down into the earth to bring up water. The image derives from the pole-and-bucket well of ancient China. The wood represents not the buckets, which in ancient times were made of clay, but rather the wooden poles by which the water is hauled up from the well. The image also refers to the world of plants, which lift water out of the earth by means of their fibres.

    The well from which water is drawn conveys the further idea of an inexhaustible dispensing of nourishment.

    The Judgment
    The Well. The town may be changed,
    But the well cannot be changed.
    It neither decreases nor increases.
    They come and go and draw from the well.
    If one gets down almost to the water
    And the rope does not go all the way,
    Or the jug breaks, it brings misfortune.


    In ancient China the capital cities were sometimes moved, partly for the sake of more favorable location, partly because of a change in dynasties. The style of architecture changed in the course of centuries, but the shape of the well has remained the same from ancient times to this day. Thus the well is the symbol of that social structure which, evolved by mankind in meeting its most primitive needs, is independent of all political forms. Political structures change, as do nations, but the life of man with its needs remains eternally the same - this cannot be changed. Life is also inexhaustible. It grows neither less not more; it exists for one and for all. The generations come and go, and all enjoy life in its inexhaustible abundance.

    However, there are two prerequisites for a satisfactory political or social organisation of mankind. We must go down to the very foundations of life. For any merely superficial ordering of life that leaves its deepest needs unsatisfied is as ineffectual as if no attempt at order had ever been made. Carelessness - by which the jug is broken - is also disastrous. If for instance the military defence of a state is carried to such excess that it provokes wars by which the power of the state is annihilated, this is a breaking of the jug.

    This hexagram applies also to the individual. However men may differ in disposition and in education, the foundations of human nature are the same in everyone. And every human being can draw in the course of his education from the inexhaustible wellspring of the divine in man's nature. But here likewise two dangers threaten: a man may fail in his education to penetrate to the real roots of humanity and remain fixed in convention - a partial education of this sort is as bad as none - or he may suddenly collapse and neglect his self-development.

    The Image
    WaterWind

    Water over wood: the image of the Well.
    Thus the superior man encourages the people at their work,
    And exhorts them to help one another.


    The trigram Sun, wood, is below, and the trigram Kan, water, is above it. Wood sucks water upward. Just as wood as an organism imitates the action of the well, which benefits all parts of the plant, the superior man organises human society, so that, as in a plant organism, its parts co-operate for the benefit of the whole.

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    People must question to understand physical truths. Not all truths are physical.

    In many situations, questioning is the way not to understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    People must question to understand physical truths. Not all truths are physical.

    In many situations, questioning is the way not to understand.
    In all situations one must question. If one does not question one is simply acquiescent; philosophically, failure to question is failure to understand properly.

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    I do not see the reason for your quotation, though I did not see it very thoroughly

    I do not believe in anything beyond the physical, I assume there are laws that bind the physical, adn I assume that the physical exists, I do not believe in any truths beyond the physical

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    If you question in all situations, you will learn only half of reality. Infact, once a journalist went to visit a Zen master for an interview.

    He remained one hour, two hours, three inside a waiting room. When the fourth hour passed, he raised to go away, and in that very instant he was informed that the master could receive him.

    The monk then greeted him and offered him some tea. The journalist accepted puzzled. Thus the old man poured tea into his guest's cup. And he poured. The cup being filled, the tea dropped on the floor.

    "It's full!" said the journalist.

    "This is the way of Zen" answered the master "Before you fill your cup you must void it first. The interview is over".

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    it was interesting when he (the guy in the documentary) mentions some facts, but then it got really ignorant and anti-christian.

    that guy needs to be more respective if he is to be taken seriously.

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    it was interesting when he (the guy in the documentary) mentions some facts, but then it got really ignorant and anti-christian.

    that guy needs to be more respective if he is to be taken seriously.
    Equaly it can be said that any Religious preacher is ignorant and anti-atheist, yet do you hear us complaining? Yes, we complain with arguments against their points, not opinions

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    That tells us nothing except Zen "wisdom". This is not neccessarily wisdom, however. Questioning reality is the only way to understand it; only through doubt can we achieve certainty.

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    You have just expressed a certainty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    You have just expressed a certainty.
    Actually I have stated a belief; it is not one I am certain of, but it is one I find more accurate than any other.

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