Marine get 18 months for torturing/murdering disabled Iraqi senior...

[Miraj]

US marine jailed over Iraq death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6152636.stm

It is alleged that the eight-strong team went looking for a suspected insurgent.

When they failed to find him the men became frustrated and dragged a disabled grandfather from his home, bound and beat him and then shot dead.

Lesson learned:
Black people commiting murder in US -> Death penalty
White people commiting murder in Iraq -> 18 months

[Dromikaites]

US marine jailed over Iraq death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6152636.stm

Lesson learned:
Black people commiting murder in US -> Death penalty
White people commiting murder in Iraq -> 18 months

Seems fair, don't you think so?

Now seriously speaking, he got a light sentence in exchange for ratting on his pals. What I always liked about people who do horrible things like those soldiers did is they are tough and "manly" only in front of helpless victims.

[Sidus Preclarum]

18 *months* ? ffs, I was pleasantly surprised at the verdict, but because I read the headlines too fast and thought it was *years*

[Farnan]

US marine jailed over Iraq death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6152636.stm

And the other 7 will get the death sentence...

This guy will also get a dishonorable discharge. In the US with a dishonorable discharge he's going to have a hard time getting a job at McDonalds...

[Ahiga]

Well, it says they may. Hopefully they will get the death sentence.

It would really benefit to know if the one who got off easily did anything violent, or merely went along with the group. If the former, then it seems wrong for him to get off easily.

[RusskiSoldat]

Acceptable punishment.
Killing in a warzone is far more acceptable than killing on a peaceful (by big city standards) street.

[danzig]

As always you distort your news posts since you left out the part it was in exchange for a plea deal against the other soldiers (as pointed out by other posters)...not exactly uncommon in the US to give a deal to the "weak" link in the crime to get the ensure successful conviction of the others.

[Garbarsardar]

As always you distort your news posts since you left out the part it was in exchange for a plea deal against the other soldiers (as pointed out by other posters)...not exactly uncommon in the US to give a deal to the "weak" link in the crime to get the ensure successful conviction of the others.

Indeed:

The judge said he would have sentenced Jodka to five years, but he was bound by a "very fortuitous" pre-trial deal.

Jodka, who apologised to the victim's family, is expected to give evidence against the other defendants.

As part of a plea bargain, Jodka pleaded guilty in October to charges of assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice, while prosecutors dropped other charges including murder and kidnapping.

From the same source as in the first post.

[LoZz]

what kind of marine rats on his pals? where is the comradship? out their all you got is each other!

that said i think these trials will do nothing for an already demoralised army, i think they should be done later when US soilders are out of or comming out of iraq

[Lord Rahl]

Mirage, I'd like to ask what drives you to post thread after thread of bad news of the Iraq war. What is stopping you from posting good news?

[LoZz]

Mirage, I'd like to ask what drives you to post thread after thread of bad news of the Iraq war. What is stopping you from posting good news?

what good news?

[Garbarsardar]

Mirage, I'd like to ask what drives you to post thread after thread of bad news of the Iraq war. What is stopping you from posting good news?

I think that to get a honest answer you should question the general voyeurism in the mass media.

Why do we only get bad news from downtown L.A.? I am sure there are things happening there besides gang wars and car chases and drive-bys.

Why do you think Colombia as a place where the only thing happening is cocaine plantations and street executions by druglords?

Where are the good news from Chechnya?

We have come to accept the media bloodmongering as a normal feature of the presentation of news and now that they have a constant stream of graphical horror to exploit do you sincerely ask them to back up and reflect on the values and morality of their function?

mirage41 is representative of the aspect that dominates the media world and that has little to do with Iraq.

The rest, is your choice

(edit:we posted the same link-lol)

[Lord Rahl]

I think that to get a honest answer you should question the general voyeurism in the mass media.

Why do we only get bad news from downtown L.A.? I am sure there are things happening there besides gang wars and car chases and drive-bys.

Why do you think Colombia as a place where the only thing happening is cocaine plantations and street executions by druglords?

Where are the good news from Chechnya?

We have come to accept the media bloodmongering as a normal feature of the presentation of news and now that they have a constant stream of graphical horror to exploit do you sincerely ask them to back up and reflect on the values and morality of their function?

I know that. The point is that we need to make up our own minds about what things are really like. I don't believe of much of what I see on the news if I feel it is obviously biased. I think that the War in Iraq is shown in a biased way by the media. Now, either mirage41 believes what he sees or he is just pushing his own agenda. That is all I want to know.

mirage41 is representative of the aspect that dominates the media world and that has little to do with Iraq.

The rest, is your choice

(edit:we posted the same link-lol)

Well, you didn't actually but you did post a link through the same Google search!

[Søren]

I think that to get a honest answer you should question the general voyeurism in the mass media.

Why do we only get bad news from downtown L.A.? I am sure there are things happening there besides gang wars and car chases and drive-bys.

Why do you think Colombia as a place where the only thing happening is cocaine plantations and street executions by druglords?

Where are the good news from Chechnya?

We have come to accept the media bloodmongering as a normal feature of the presentation of news and now that they have a constant stream of graphical horror to exploit do you sincerely ask them to back up and reflect on the values and morality of their function?

mirage41 is representative of the aspect that dominates the media world and that has little to do with Iraq.

The rest, is your choice

(edit:we posted the same link-lol)

The function of newspapers seem largely to be to post stories, good news tends to come in the form of the success of a slow and steady process, therefore, not a story. An inaccurate way of reporting, yes; bloodmongering, no.

For less 'story' based news we have things like the Economist...

[Lord Rahl]

Well, if only bad news is being shown then I'll give some of only good,

http://www.goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm

Biased, yes but is all of the news posted here? Most definitely.

[MasterAdnin]

US marine jailed over Iraq death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6152636.stm




Lesson learned:
Black people commiting murder in US -> Death penalty
White people commiting murder in Iraq -> 18 months

Mirage, what the hell man....you forgot some of it....

In another high profile case, soldiers from the same base as Jodka - Camp Pendleton - are facing the prospect of prosecution over the deaths of 24 Iraqis at Haditha in November 2005.

Wow, apparently American soldiers are very poorly trained.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Freddie]

US marine jailed over Iraq death
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6152636.stm




Lesson learned:
Black people commiting murder in US -> Death penalty
White people commiting murder in Iraq -> 18 months

I love threads like this, people get so easily mislead by the titles (the only exceptions are danzig and to a certain extent Garb) because it give me an excuse to rant and rave about misleading thread titles that serve no purpose other then to fan the flames of anti US sentiment.

For a start you should read back on the article and see what it is he has been sentenced for. If it were up to you, we are led to believe he has been sentenced for 18 months for killing someone when in fact he was sentenced on the following charges.

Jodka pleaded guilty in October to charges of assault and conspiracy to obstruct justice, while prosecutors dropped other charges including murder and kidnapping.

At this point I would ask one of the mods to change the title of this thread, as the prima facia evidence shows it is completely misleading.

As for the case itself I think he got the right punishment, he gets a standard discharge from the armed forces, serves 18 months in prison (reduced from 5) if he grasses on his follow defendants, plus his sentence has been influenced by what the judge has described as

"You have a very fortuitous pre-trial agreement," the judge told Jodka.

I think at the end of day he had got the sentence he deserved and its good to seem justice hasn’t been forgotten in this time of war.

[kid]

Garb, I'm surprised to see you jumping onto the "blame the media" boat. "The media" (oi, stop that, stop that. Differentiate, there are good and bad media groups) post good news often, but this is often relegated to page 10. Why? Do the journalists have some grand conspiracy to create a rebellion? Hardly. They do what sells papers, thus they do what we, the public, want them to do.

If you want "them" to post other news, or (my personal peeve) if you want "them" to follow up on stories 3-5 months later (or years later) there is a highly technical skill involved, an amazing new technique which can be accomplished with much skill, daring and panache. The ladies will swoon, the men will flex their biceps in a pathetic attempt to match your manly testosterone. Ready? here it is: write to your paper. Boom.

Man, this "hate the media" popular culture stuff has really become widespread.

[MasterAdnin]

Freddie, apparently you didn't read the article. The Marine was frustrated and therefore dragged out and old man from his home and killed him. The reason why he was given a shorter sentence is because he was given deal by the Marine Core, although we do not know what that deal is.

Freddie, I think you forgot to read this section:

It is alleged that the eight-strong team went looking for a suspected insurgent.

When they failed to find him the men became frustrated and dragged a disabled grandfather from his home, bound and beat him and then shot dead.

Salaam,
Adnan

[danzig]

Freddie, apparently you didn't read the article. The Marine was frustrated and therefore dragged out and old man from his home and killed him. The reason why he was given a shorter sentence is because he was given deal by the Marine Core, although we do not know what that deal is.

We dont? Funny cause the article clearly states:

By giving evidence against them, Jodka stands to receive a general discharge from the marines, although the judge, Lt Col David Jones, said that he would have given him a dishonourable discharge.

Seems pretty clear the deal is this sentence in exchange for testifying against the others...