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    An interesting story that I stumbled across whilst perusing my daily "conspiracy theory" websites.

    Link to the original NBC story

    Video Shows UCLA Police Using Stun Gun On Student

    LOS ANGELES -- A cell phone captured video of a 23-year-old student being administered multiple Taser shocks by UCLA police on Tuesday.

    The UCLA student was hit with the Taser shocks multiple times while he was in the Powell Library Computer Lab.

    Another student recorded the incident on a camera phone. On the video, Mostafa Tabatabainejad can be heard screaming during the incident, which took place at about 11:30 p.m., the Daily Bruin reported.


    According to the paper, Tabatabainejad did not show ID to community service officers who were conducting a random check. UCLA police said Tabatabainejad was released by police after he was cited for obstruction/delay of a peace officer in the performance of duty.

    The Daily Bruin reported that Tabatabainejad complained when an officer was escorting him from the lab and put his hand on one of Tabatabainejad's arms. He allegedly yelled, "Get off of me," according to the paper. He was then shot with the Taser, reported the paper.

    The Daily Bruin reported that after he was hit, Tabatabainejad yelled, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your f---ing abuse of power."


    Police said they thought Tabatabainejad was not harmed in the incident.

    "If he was able to walk out of here, I think he was OK," the sergeant said.
    I guess the fact that he had an Iranian name had nothing to do with this? Just a bit of random police brutality?

    Actually, while we are on the subject of Tasers, here are some more instances of their (mis)use by Peace officers.

    Officer's Taser is used on girl, 9

    Arizona Daily Star | May 25, 2004

    A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl.

    At the request of Chief Sixto Molina, the Pima County Sheriff's Department is trying to determine if the sergeant committed a crime when he sent a jolt through the child's body.

    The police officer used a Taser on the girl at about 5:30 p.m. May 8, Molina said. The nonlethal weapon uses a pulsating electrical charge to immobilize a person for several seconds.

    "I'll be the first to admit, you've got a veteran sergeant Tasing a 9-year-old girl, it doesn't look good," said Molina.

    The sergeant was one of at least two officers who responded to a call from the Arizona Children's Home, a school for special needs children, on South Eighth Avenue, he said.

    "It had to do with a runaway from the institution," the chief said. He declined to provide further details.

    The school could not be reached for comment late Monday. But Molina said that the facility is the source of frequent calls to his 25-person department.

    Molina said one officer initially responded to the call from the school. That officer requested assistance from another officer and specifically asked that the second officer bring a Taser.

    He said the girl was handcuffed at the time the weapon was used.

    The sergeant who used the hand-held Taser remains on duty. His name is not being released while the investigation is under way.

    "It didn't involve an integrity issue," Molina said. "The officer made a decision to do what he thought he needed to do."

    Deputy Dawn Barkman, a spokeswoman with the Sheriff's Department, confirmed a review of the incident is under way but said she had no further details.

    The results of the probe will be forwarded to the Pima County Attorney's Office.

    "They'll have to present it to us to see if any criminal charges are warranted," said County Attorney's Office spokesman Dan Benavides.

    Sgt. Dan Snyder, a South Tucson police spokesman, said the investigation could be complete by the end of the week.
    Must have been a really nasty 9 year old. But its ok, because as most people know, Tasers are non-lethal (unless you happen to have a heart problem or defect, or any sort of alcohol or narcotic in you)


    Teen dies after being shot by stun gun
    Wednesday Nov 1 14:57 AEDT
    AP - A teenager carrying a Bible and shouting "I want Jesus" was shot twice with a police stun gun and later died at a St. Louis hospital, authorities said.

    The growing use of stun guns by US law enforcement agencies has raised concerns among human rights groups. In a report released in March, the international group Amnesty International said it had logged at least 156 deaths across the US in the previous five years related to police stun guns.

    In a statement obtained, police in Jerseyville, about 65 kilometres north of St. Louis, said 17-year-old Roger Holyfield would not acknowledge officers who approached him and he continued yelling, "I want Jesus."

    Police tried to calm the teen, but Holyfield became combative, according to the statement. Officers fired the stun gun at him after he ignored their warnings, then fired again when he continued struggling, police said.

    Holyfield was flown to St. Louis' Cardinal Glennon Hospital after the confrontation on Saturday; he died there Sunday, police said.

    An autopsy was planned for on Tuesday.

    The statement expressed sympathy to Holyfield's family but said city and police officials would not discuss the matter further.

    Calls Tuesday to Jerseyville Police Chief Brad Blackorby were not immediately returned. The department has been using stun guns for about five months, according to the statement.

    The rise in stun gun-related deaths accompanies a marked increase in the number of U.S. law enforcement agencies employing devices made by Taser International Inc. of Scottsdale, Arizona. About 1,000 of the nation's 18,000 police agencies used Tasers in 2001; more than 7,000 departments had them last year, according to a government study.

    Police had used Tasers more than 70,000 times as of last year, Congress' Government Accountability Office said.

    Amnesty International has urged police departments to suspend the use of Tasers pending more study. Taser International said the group's count was flawed and falsely linked deaths to Taser use when there has been no such official conclusion.


    I'll be the first to admit that the idea of Police being able to use less-than-lethal weaponry to subdue dangerous criminals is a pretty good one. But some of these abuses are disgusting.
    It seems to me that US Police are becoming more and more militarised. Rather than it being their job to protect the public, they seem to be starting to view the public as some sort of enemy.
    I realise thats a sweeping generalisation, because obviously the majority of Police (I would assume :hmmm: ) are not sadists who enjoy dispensing violence, but if the bad apples are allowed to promote that style of policing then these sort of incidents will only increase. Luckily, the police in the UK don't use Tasers as of yet, though I'm sure it will only be a matter of time.
    Also, another problem is that people who suffer from cardiac problems are very likely to die or at the very least suffer serious problems if they are hit by a Taser. The problem is that there is no way to know if the person being tased has heart problems or not (or is on drugs, for that matter) and it is basically akin to playing russian roulette with people's lives.
    At least the consequences of being shot are known and predictable.
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    while I certainly don't condone police abuse, good thing it was a taser and not a gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Roman
    while I certainly don't condone police abuse, good thing it was a taser and not a gun
    But if they had only guns I don't think they would have used them in any of the above cases.

    Shooting a 9 year old handcuffed girl with a gun, even if it's just in her leg, would be very hard to defend.
    But using a taser can be defended in almost every case (because: "what's the problem? the girl lived, and the last guy probably didn't have long to live anyways"), so there is very little holding the police back.

    I think in practice a gun will almost exclusively be used as a defensive weapon.
    But non-lethal weapons will almost exclusively be used as an offensive weapon as a way to make people obey your commands like in the first video.

    ps: please people it's not a tazer, it's taser which stands for Thomas A. Swift's Electric Rifle
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    I was unsure if I could afford having a child and although I already bought the handcuffs, I was still on the fence of this, but these news finally tipped the balance.

    When will the taser be available to private customers?

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    Thats it of course. While it is not a good thing that police are abusing their powers it is a good thing that they are abusing them in a fashion that is highly unlikely to kill someone rather than using guns.

    In the UK the police carry at the most CS gas unless the armed section is out in force (only very specific cases or areas for that). I can't help but think that the police should have anything possible short of a gun to protect themselves against the public, as it is one of the most heinous things for a police officer to die whilst on duty.

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    With time working out minor imperfections, I believe Tazer guns will become very usefull to police all around the country, although they should only be used on an armed or violent person.

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    rather a tazer then a gun

    at the moument UK police offers are unarmed, just a baton and cs spray, they could become big here as well, testing is on going

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    Well perhaps if we had more bobby's on the beat instead of being stuck inside doing paper work then we wouldnt need this kind of stuff, the larger police persence might be enough to stop many crimes. But that will never happen. So its a good idea that police can now reasonably defend themselves.
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    Is the UK police force really that lightly armed? US police officers carry guns at all times. I know some who even have rifles. Needless to say, the taser uses were not needed, but remember the article is biased against the police. Also, the taser is incredibly effect for use against such targets. It is unbelievably painful but not physically harmful. It was that, the baton, the spray, or the gun. I would pick taser too. Although they proably were too triger happy in those incidents. Considering that fact the taser is legally harmless, there is no case for police brutality. This needs to be changed but stands as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Snibb
    Is the UK police force really that lightly armed? US police officers carry guns at all times. I know some who even have rifles. Needless to say, the taser uses were not needed, but remember the article is biased against the police. Also, the taser is incredibly effect for use against such targets. It is unbelievably painful but not physically harmful. It was that, the baton, the spray, or the gun. I would pick taser too. Although they proably were too triger happy in those incidents. Considering that fact the taser is legally harmless, there is no case for police brutality. This needs to be changed but stands as is.
    yes they are, we have our own version of swat (so19) and they have guns, but your average police officer patroling is un armed, no guns, just a baton, cs spray which they havent had for that long and handcuffs.

    but you have to remember, while its on the rise we have much less gun crime and less murders then in the usa

    and the general public are not allowed to own guns like you are in the states (with the exception of land owners who are allowed small shotguns for pest control of animals)


    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    Well perhaps if we had more bobby's on the beat instead of being stuck inside doing paper work then we wouldnt need this kind of stuff, the larger police persence might be enough to stop many crimes. But that will never happen. So its a good idea that police can now reasonably defend themselves.
    shaun dont be so absurd, if they cut down on the paper work the police force would actualy be affective, why would we want that? and then your forgetting how on earth will they waste tax payers money!
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    Well the British police dont need to carry guns as the general public arent armed, we only get knives and air rifles (Come on, they can only kill people with a headshot!). But, if the police were to be in a situation where they would require guns, they get them. Like the Belfast police.
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    I am only familiar with the first one, so I suppose Ill just say teh pigz r ev0l for the other two. :shrug:

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhah
    I guess the fact that he had an Iranian name had nothing to do with this?
    Probably not, since the whole reason he was asked to leave was because he didn't have his ID.

    Just a bit of random police brutality?
    The police wouldn't have even shown up in the library if the guy had just left when the CSOs asked him to. All he had to do was go home, get his card, and come back.

    No big deal, right?

    Obviously, that was too much to ask this guy. He DID NOT leave, then started freaking out when the police arrived to escort him out of the building. If the cops are there to make you leave a building, it certainly isnt out of the realm of possibility that they will touch/grab/hold on to your arm during the process. Screaming in the officers faces and just freaking out in general probably isnt the best idea in this situation. I mean, I could be wrong, and maybe most cops enjoy that sort of thing, but....I doubt it....

    Every situation does not need to be made into a political statement/protest, even those which occur in California.

    The video (for the most part you cant see anything): http://youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E I suppose Ill have to warn everyone about the language.

    Note they were telling him to get up BEFORE he got tased and after he had finished screaming at the beginning. He then got tased, started screeching about the Patriot Act ( ), etc. Another note: You probably shouldnt tell the cops to "**** off" after you have been tased once and they tell you to stand up another 30 times.

    No matter how stupid and incredibly avoidable the entire situation was, I wouldnt be surprised if this kid sues the UCLA campus police for something or other, a couple of campus police get fired for being teh ev0l, and he gets free tuition for the remainder of his time there. I bet he remembers his goddamn ID from now on though.
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