What regions can become citadels/ huge cities?

**temporaryaccount** · May 01, 2015, 03:46 PM

I know that not every region can become one, partially due to hardcoded farming values. That being said is there a definitive list of what provinces can become them? I haven't played much but these are the regions I've seen that either start as huge cities or can become them:

Cities
Paris
Constantinople
Naples
Jerusalem

Citadel
Antwerp
One in Germany i think

**Deteriorate** · May 01, 2015, 07:23 PM

I believe that it is not hard-coded, which implies to the inability to mod the relevant code. Open descr_regions.txt, regions with higher Base farming level are easier to grow. You can change the value

**Duck of Death** · May 03, 2015, 07:59 AM

I don't think there is any region the cant become huge city/citadel...
Some are just harder and take longer.

**Steward Denethor II** · May 03, 2015, 09:14 PM

Any region can in theory reach the highest level but getting a Citadel is extremely hard. One needs 22000 or some ridiculous number. To get this a player needs a full Chivalry General in the castle with some traits that reduce squalor, and all the population increasing buildings, and the good fortune not to get the plague. I wouldn't be surprised it was completely impossible for some regions with low base farming levels to become Citadels.

**Bardha** · May 05, 2015, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Steward Denethor II

Any region can in theory reach the highest level but getting a Citadel is extremely hard. One needs 22000 or some ridiculous number. To get this a player needs a full Chivalry General in the castle with some traits that reduce squalor, and all the population increasing buildings, and the good fortune not to get the plague. I wouldn't be surprised it was completely impossible for some regions with low base farming levels to become Citadels.

Would it be possible (and easier) to grown a city into a huge city and then convert it into a citadel?

**cormag778** · May 05, 2015, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Bardha

Would it be possible (and easier) to grown a city into a huge city and then convert it into a citadel?

The game prevents this by not allowing citadels/huge cities to convert

IE you can make a fortress into a large city or a large city into a fortress, but not a huge city into a citadel

**Steward Denethor II** · May 06, 2015, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by cormag778

The game prevents this by not allowing citadels/huge cities to convert

IE you can make a fortress into a large city or a large city into a fortress, but not a huge city into a citadel

No, any region that is a city or above cannot be converted to a castle. A fortress or a citadel can be converted to a city but in Stainless Steel converting a citadel would generally be a bad idea considering how hard it is to get one.

**AKDeath** · May 05, 2015, 07:21 PM

add_population FTW!!

**Duck of Death** · May 08, 2015, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by AKDeath

add_population FTW!!

Always an easy work-around, but...
Once you go down that road, its easy to convince yourself that any cheat is viable if it gets you the result you want.

Last few years, Ive been playing SS with Game of Thrones in mind...
Its always fun and addictive to watch/play, but everything doesn't always go the way you hope.

The adversity and difficulty is part of the fun of playing.

**AKDeath** · May 08, 2015, 01:17 PM

i agree with every single word duck, but is this case, it felt to me like the OP was having some trouble with this,
just wanted to give him a way to make it there, but yeah playing with no cheats is always more fun imo as well.

**fullmetaljacket** · May 11, 2015, 06:20 PM

I am playing as france and my fortress at metz is increasing to around 22300 before it turns negative. At the moment its housing a 10 star chivalry family member. Will i have better luck with Antwerp or doesnt it matter? Maybe i need a 10star king?

Anyone gotten a citadel and how did you do it?
No i will not use the add population. How can you live without honor?

**Dekhatres** · May 13, 2015, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by fullmetaljacket

I am playing as france and my fortress at metz is increasing to around 22300 before it turns negative. At the moment its housing a 10 star chivalry family member. Will i have better luck with Antwerp or doesnt it matter? Maybe i need a 10star king?

Anyone gotten a citadel and how did you do it?
No i will not use the add population. How can you live without honor?

honor ? AI fortress has -2 growth with 17500 population and next turn it's 17600, now how honorable is that ? not to mention AI dosent even have to bother building farms

the only efficient way really it's to just capture them from the AI, it's not worth at all the time money and effort to upgrade them

since only AI can get that high population a good way would be to sell your fortress to an ally and when the population is high enouth for the upgrade buy it back, or try causing unrest with lots of spies and assasins til the citadel rebels so you can take it back without breaking your alliance or spending all your money

@Duck of Death cheating may not be fun but being stuck at castles while AI is upgrading to citadels isnt either, it's quite easy to use cheats without going down that road, all you have to do is just set rules, sure if you get citadels within the 1st few turns that game is not fun but if you upgrade at the same time AI does the game remains balanced and still fun to play, atleast to me, most of the time i dont even bother cheating since i take citadels from the AI so.. yeah, but sometimes i do one of those campaigns where i only maintain my kingdom and this population thing is really getting annoying and time consuming rather than fun, and than comes the plague and... well some people like the posibility of losing progress worth many hours of gameplay i guess, good thing there's console for those who do not