small Osprey'book about battle on Catalaunian Field 451 upcomming

[Deciusalexius]

News from Amazon web side:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catalaunian-..._bxgy_b_text_y

[Epirus]

Not very interested tbh, osprey books tend to be poorly researched and the artwork is cartoony, inaccurate, and unrealistic. Maybe some people who have never heard of the subject matter might like it though.

[Deciusalexius]

Not very interested tbh, osprey books tend to be poorly researched and the artwork is cartoony, inaccurate, and unrealistic. Maybe some people who have never heard of the subject matter might like it though.

but with a substantial level of play Attila is all right especially from the military , the economy and the realities of broad period.Applause

[Humble Warrior]

News from Amazon web side:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Catalaunian-..._bxgy_b_text_y

Good stuff, unfortunately, it only serves at making me more mad at CA for making Attila ridiculously unrealistic.

[RGA]

Good stuff, unfortunately, it only serves at making me more mad at CA for making Attila ridiculously unrealistic.

A realistic Total war game should be considered an oxymoron

[SirRobin]

A realistic Total war game should be considered an oxymoron

Then why are there no dragons?

[Imperator Artorius]

Then why are there no dragons?

And the Strawman of the Day Award goes to...

[RGA]

Then why are there no dragons?

Who said there weren't any?

[Captain Arrrgh!]

LoL.
Amazon's 'frequently bought together' recommendation.
This item: Catalaunian Fields AD 451: Rome's last great battle (Campaign) by Simon Macdowall Paperback £13.48

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[Epirus]

Yes I think you would enjoy these short easy to digest loosely historical picture books humble. They are made after all for the history fan rather than the historian.

[FILIUSROMAE]

It even gets the date of The Fall of The Roman Empire wrong in the description. It says 15 years after 451 (466), when it fell ten years later in 476. lol.

[Epirus]

Sorry? What does that have to do with the Osprey book? I am evaluating Osprey books by the metrics that history books are judged, namely the quality of research and writing. By those metrics this book fails, as the poster above pointed out it even gets the Fall of Rome date wrong, and the author is a former NATO paper-pusher with an amateur interest in the time period rather and not a respected late antiquities researcher. If you want credible information start with primary sources, move on to critiques of those primary sources, add in archaeological evidence, move on to interpretations of archaeological evidence, finally read interpretive and extrapolative works by scholars in the field taking everything with a grain of salt.

It is your lot who judge Osprey books by comparing them to video games without even reading the text, but just looking at the pictures and screaming "look I knew the shield decal was wrong for that unit!". Or "look that guy had a beard in this picture, it means all Franks had beards and unbearded Franks are unhistorical!" It might be pure coincidence that the Osprey 'bible' thumpers just happen to overlap with the rabid "historically inaccuracy" crowd, but more likely both are simply low-information posters.

[Telenil]

If you want credible information start with primary sources, move on to critiques of those primary sources, add in archaeological evidence, move on to interpretations of archaeological evidence, finally read interpretive and extrapolative works by scholars in the field taking everything with a grain of salt.

And then you go to a digging site to help human knowledge move forward, because there is a lot we don't know about that period anyway.

Alternatively, you can forget all of the above and buy whatever book you like, knowing that professional historian would not necessarily agree with every detail.

Sorry if I sound like a douche, but it's safe to assume most people here are interesting in reading history books, not writing them.

[Deciusalexius]

Calme, calme s'il te plait...
I just put note about publishing novelty commenting on something you do not even read like a ant exciting having a period...
In addition, the Osprey is a monopolist in this area and if there is no competition sometimes indulges in understating the level of expertise.

Sorry? What does that have to do with the Osprey book? I am evaluating Osprey books by the metrics that history books are judged, namely the quality of research and writing. By those metrics this book fails, as the poster above pointed out it even gets the Fall of Rome date wrong, and the author is a former NATO paper-pusher with an amateur interest in the time period rather and not a respected late antiquities researcher. If you want credible information start with primary sources, move on to critiques of those primary sources, add in archaeological evidence, move on to interpretations of archaeological evidence, finally read interpretive and extrapolative works by scholars in the field taking everything with a grain of salt.



It is your lot who judge Osprey books by comparing them to video games without even reading the text, but just looking at the pictures and screaming "look I knew the shield decal was wrong for that unit!". Or "look that guy had a beard in this picture, it means all Franks had beards and unbearded Franks are unhistorical!" It might be pure coincidence that the Osprey 'bible' thumpers just happen to overlap with the rabid "historically inaccuracy" crowd, but more likely both are simply low-information posters.

[wulfgar610]

I enjoyed the one Simon Macdowall did on Adrianople. But that battle had fair degree of recorded detail to point were they could make a good guess on its location. In the case of Chalons they wouldn't have much of a fix on the local. According to an author long after the event, it took place on the rise were plains of Chalons end on the western side . But that ridge runs for 40 km.

My guess is Attila had about 15,000 men at the battle, but was somewhat outnumbered by his opponents.

Good stuff, unfortunately, it only serves at making me more mad at CA for making Attila ridiculously unrealistic.

Come now Humble Warrior, surely you are being glass half empty.

We are probably lucky that we get a game with that much authenticity. It's not like WRG these days anymore, who took all the questions very seriously.