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    VIENNA, Austria - New traces of plutonium and enriched uranium — potential material for atomic warheads — have been found in a nuclear waste facility in Iran, a revelation that came Tuesday as the Iranian president boasted his country's nuclear fuel program will soon be completed.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency report detailing the discovery also faulted Tehran for not cooperating with the U.N. watchdog's attempts to investigate other suspicious aspects of Iran's nuclear program.

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in a two-hour news conference in Tehran, asserted the world has no choice but to "live with a nuclear Iran," although he conceded his country was "still in the first stages" of its uranium enrichment program.

    So far, Tehran has been able to activate only two small experimental pilot enrichment plants that U.N. officials say have frequently broken down and have produced only small amounts of material suitable for nuclear fuel.

    But Iran has progressed enough since resuming enrichment activities in February to provoke a U.N. Security Council demand that it freeze its program — a call Tehran has ignored. It says it intends to move toward large-scale uranium enrichment involving 3,000 centrifuges by late 2006, then expand the program to 54,000 centrifuges.

    Iranian nuclear officials say 54,000 centrifuges would produce enough enriched uranium to fuel a 1,000-megawatt reactor, such as the one being built by Russia that is near completion at the southern city of Bushehr. Experts have estimated Iran would need only 1,500 centrifuges to produce a nuclear weapon.

    Tehran insists it is only seeking to generate low-enriched uranium for nuclear fuel and not the highly enriched variety needed for weapons. It also denies it is building a heavy water research reactor at Arak in order to obtain plutonium for nuclear arms, asserting it only wants to produce radioactive isotopes for medical research and treatment.

    Still, when finished — probably early in the next decade — Arak could produce enough plutonium for about two bombs a year.

    The Arak plant, along with the discovery of a secret Iranian enrichment program in 2003, Tehran's refusal to cease uranium enrichment and findings by IAEA inspectors have increased suspicions about Iran's program.

    The IAEA board in February referred Iran to the Security Council, suggesting it had breached the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and might be trying to make nuclear weapons.

    The U.S. and its European allies are negotiating with Russia and China over a draft Security Council resolution that would penalize Iran for its refusal to respect an Aug. 31 deadline to halt enrichment.

    Ahmadinejad remained defiant. "I'm very hopeful that we will be able to hold the big celebration of Iran's full nuclearization in the current year," he said. Iran's calendar year ends March 20.

    But he acknowledged Iran still has a long way to go before it can produce enough enriched uranium for the reactor at Bushehr. "We need time to produce enough fuel for one complete nuclear power plant," he said.

    Tuesday's IAEA report, prepared for next week's meeting of the agency's 35-nation board, did little to dispel concerns.

    Beyond detailing the new plutonium and enriched uranium findings at a nuclear waste facility, it also faulted Tehran for lack of cooperation.

    "The agency will remain unable to make further progress in its efforts to verify the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in Iran" without more cooperation from Tehran, the report said.

    The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, said Ahmadinejad's comments and the IAEA's latest discoveries "both demonstrate the urgency for the Security Council to act on Iran."

    "Sanctions are obviously the only means to get Iran's attention," Bolton said.

    As expected, the four-page IAEA report, made available to The Associated Press, confirmed that Iran continues uranium enrichment experiments in defiance of the Security Council.

    A senior U.N. official who was familiar with the report cautioned against reading too much into the findings of traces of highly enriched uranium and plutonium, saying Iran had explained both and they could plausibly be classified as byproducts of peaceful nuclear activities.

    The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the report publicly, said that while the uranium traces were enriched to a higher level than needed to generate power, they were below weapons-grade.

    The findings, however, were likely to be cited by the U.S. and other nations suspicious of Tehran's nuclear agenda as adding to circumstantial evidence against it.

    Tuesday's summary also listed specific cases in which Tehran failed to cooperate with agency inspectors.

    They said Iran refused to let the IAEA increase monitoring of enrichment facilities at Natanz, did not respond to a request for more information on its enrichment program, denied access to suspicious equipment or military personnel, and refused to provide information on apparent experiments linking nuclear and ballistic missile research.

    The report will be discussed by the IAEA board next week at a meeting expected to be dominated by Iran's nuclear program, particularly its intention to ask the agency for technical help for its Arak reactor.

    Diplomats from nations on the IAEA board say the U.S. is lobbying against Iran's request. Seven diplomats, who demanded anonymity in exchange for discussing confidential information, told the AP they believed the board would deny Iran's request.
    54,000 centrifuges. More than enough to sustain a viable weaponization program for the production of nuclear material, the fact that there's even evidence to suggest the Iranians have experiments that link their nuclear technology with ballistic missile research is even more alarming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius
    54,000 centrifuges. More than enough to sustain a viable weaponization program for the production of nuclear material, the fact that there's even evidence to suggest the Iranians have experiments that link their nuclear technology with ballistic missile research is even more alarming.
    And the most amusing thing is:

    You can't do **** about it.


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    meh its pretty damn obvious what iran are up to, whats even more hilarious (in a sad way) is that the euro's think that america talking directly to iran would change things...

    Iran must really be laughing at us all here right now..

    The door is closing extremely fast and i doubt the 'international community' will get thru in time to stop iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    meh its pretty damn obvious what iran are up to, whats even more hilarious (in a sad way) is that the euro's think that america talking directly to iran would change things...

    Iran must really be laughing at us all here right now..

    The door is closing extremely fast and i doubt the 'international community' will get thru in time to stop iran.

    What is even more laughable is that America thinks that any country who is not the best of friends with them will actually use these weapons against them. There is no evidence to suggest that Iran would attack American soil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    What is even more laughable is that America thinks that any country who is not the best of friends with them will actually use these weapons against them. There is no evidence to suggest that Iran would attack American soil.

    Being a world policeman Shaun, im sure its not exactly what america are most concerned with (as iran dont have the means to deliver it conventionally to america).

    What america are concerned about is the continuing "death to israel" crap that comes out of iran, nothing short of nazism and we know what happened there dont we? We have been in that situation before.

    In addition to that is the fact that iran DO supply terrorists (this is beyond argument), what if they were to 'accidently' give hamas/hezbollah/iraqi insurgency (the latter being least likely) and BOOM israel/some other part of the world goes up in radiated smoke?

    That is what America (and the rest of the world) are trying to stop however some have rubbery backbones and others do not.
    ...not to mention the fact that nuclear programs are illegal whatever way you look at it.

    You would rather we ruin the planet by allowing public enemy no.1 to have nuclear 'power' (and i use inverted commas because theres more than one meaning there), basically let me simplify this for you Shaun:

    Would you give Hitler nuclear weapons if they were around during his day?

    The situation is very similar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    What america are concerned about is the continuing "death to israel" crap that comes out of iran, nothing short of nazism and we know what happened there dont we? We have been in that situation before.
    Perhaps America should sort out Nazism in their own country before Iran then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    In addition to that is the fact that iran DO supply terrorists (this is beyond argument), what if they were to 'accidently' give hamas/hezbollah/iraqi insurgency (the latter being least likely) and BOOM israel/some other part of the world goes up in radiated smoke?
    Actually, its not beyond argument that Iran supply terrorists. last time I checked Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist organisations, and there is no concrete proof that Iran supplies Iraqi insurgents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    That is what America (and the rest of the world) are trying to stop however some have rubbery backbones and others do not.
    ...not to mention the fact that nuclear programs are illegal whatever way you look at it.

    You would rather we ruin the planet by allowing public enemy no.1 to have nuclear 'power' (and i use inverted commas because theres more than one meaning there), basically let me simplify this for you Shaun:

    Would you give Hitler nuclear weapons if they were around during his day?
    Difference is that Hitler was an aggressive war maker. So far Iran havent actually invaded anyone recently, they are all talk no walk, lets hope they stay that way though.
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    Default Re: IAEA inspections find traces of Plutonium & raise unanswered questions in Iran

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    Perhaps America should sort out Nazism in their own country before Iran then.
    What are you implying? Can you enlighten me on this one please?



    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    Actually, its not beyond argument that Iran supply terrorists. last time I checked Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist organisations, and there is no concrete proof that Iran supplies Iraqi insurgents.
    last time you checked? well im afraid your wrong, HAMAS are on the list of terrorists, their policies and actions show this to be pretty obvious in addition to that. Hezbollah - not much different.

    Iran supplies both therefore they do supply terrorists.
    There is strong enough evidence of Iran supplying iraqi insurgents that it has prompted numerous military commanders in iraq to call for them to stop it (as has mr Blair recently) - I dont think they are in the position to be laying blame on people without evidence, Shaun. So make of it what you will - as far as the experts are concerned (aka the top end peeps) Iran is involved. Not that the matter of supplying iraqi insurgents matter, the above situation with HAMAS is enough to prove my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    Difference is that Hitler was an aggressive war maker. So far Iran havent actually invaded anyone recently, they are all talk no walk, lets hope they stay that way though.
    Iran havent invaded anyone because they havent been in a position to do so (one positive thing about bush's botched plans has been that he has put Iran in a vice). Hitler didnt invade anyone straight from the off either if you remember correctly Shaun, neither did he plan to go to war until 1945 or something like that which is of course the year ww2 ended.
    Just because they havent gone to war officially today, does not mean they dont plan to, and tbh they have made war in other ways through terrorist organisations - indirectly causing conflict.

    Iran's policies are almost exactly the same as Hitler's were during the 30s.

    Difference today though is that we are giving a modern day Hitler nuclear weapons on a plate. Instead of giving them Europe on a plate as we did with Hitler

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun
    There is no evidence to suggest that Iran would attack American soil.
    Technically, if Iran were to supply a 'terrorist' organization with a nuclear bomb, it could be smuggled into an american port and detonated.


    Actually, its not beyond argument that Iran supply terrorists. last time I checked Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorist organisations, and there is no concrete proof that Iran supplies Iraqi insurgents.
    Hamas and Hezbollah are recognized and legitimate political parties in Palestine and Israel respectably. Hamas is even democractically elected. If you want to continue to argue, your only justification could be that the majority of the Palestinian population are terrorists.


    What are you implying? Can you enlighten me on this one please?
    Sort out the jewish lobbies who control every foreign policy decision the USA makes. I don't think I really need to explain further when you look at Israel's direct violations of international laws (geneva convention), and the unparalleled american support for nearly every violation. The only way I see that americans can alleviate the terrorist threat against themselves is to discontinue political support for Israel, which unfortunately, is near impossible because their lobby is too strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caelius
    54,000 centrifuges. More than enough to sustain a viable weaponization program for the production of nuclear material
    Since nuclear power requires more centrifuges than nuclear weapons this is no big deal.

    the fact that there's even evidence to suggest the Iranians have experiments that link their nuclear technology with ballistic missile research is even more alarming.
    I just love the phrase "evidence to suggest".
    There is also evidence to suggest that Iran wants only a peaceful nuclear program.
    And evidence to suggest W Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.
    And evidence to suggest that there is life on mars.
    In fact: there is evidence to suggest everything because just as long as you have some piece of evidence you can suggest anything.

    So evidence to suggest isn't a reason to be alarmed, it's pure rhetoric.
    Last edited by Erik; November 15, 2006 at 09:32 AM.



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    So Iran just *may* be developing nukes?
    Even if they got a nuclear arsenal, it would hardly be the of the world.
    As it stands we have some possible evidence that maybe they could build nukes.
    Isn't that kind of investigating the reason US is fighting a 3 year long insurgency in Iraq?





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    Quote Originally Posted by RusskiSoldat
    Even if they got a nuclear arsenal, it would hardly be the of the world.
    depends if you live in israel, europe or not. (that is the range of their nuclear capable missiles atm, yes they have nuclear capable missiles! what a coincidence)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    depends if you live in israel, europe or not. (that is the range of their nuclear capable missiles atm, yes they have nuclear capable missiles! what a coincidence)
    So? It is no more end of anything for Europe compared to Russia and USA which both have such missiles.

    It is not possession of nukes but actual USE of them which would be a concern.
    And Iran is not going to use them, they are not going to hand them over either!

    Stop thinking world functions like Tom Clancy novels. Iranians are not going to go nuts and nuke everything just because they can. Because retaliation would annihilate them and iranian military would not permit it (or their government even if by some odd twist of fate their mullahs all suddenly desired immediate meeting with Allah, which most of them do not desire. It is one thing to preach for glory of dying for the cause and another do DO it. All leaders do the first and avoid the second at all costs)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwaz
    So? It is no more end of anything for Europe compared to Russia and USA which both have such missiles.
    they were shown to be responsible with their arsenals.

    Iran has uhm, slightly different policies, to simply put.

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    How were these nations shown to be "responsible" before they possessed these arsenals?

    And could you show something beyond rather unrealistic speculations to prove us that Iran would jump for opportunity to die should they come in possession of these weapons?

    After all, if they had such desire to die they could use biological or chemical weapons too (cheaper and nearly as effective, biological even more effective).
    And yet... Neither have been launched to Europe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwaz
    How were these nations shown to be "responsible" before they possessed these arsenals?

    And could you show something beyond rather unrealistic speculations to prove us that Iran would jump for opportunity to die should they come in possession of these weapons?

    After all, if they had such desire to die they could use biological or chemical weapons too (cheaper and nearly as effective, biological even more effective).
    And yet... Neither have been launched to Europe.

    i cant believe this argument is still going Tiwaz, Do you have any idea about iran's foreign policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach
    i cant believe this argument is still going Tiwaz, Do you have any idea about iran's foreign policy?
    Hmm. Again, I have not seen any clear evidence of Iran deciding to go off nuclear. It could have done as much damage with bio weapons or perhaps chem ones.

    And it has not.

    Until proven a threat I am willing to give Iran benefit of doubt just like I give USA in regards to nukes.


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    There can be no doubt that the islamofascist run Iran is going for the A bomb. If they manage to get it, I recon we will see Israel blown to pieces eventually and a following retaliation that will result in millions of deaths.

    Another scaring scenoria is Iran handing over the technologi to terrorist that will detonate these weapons in europe, proberly London. I can not understand in my wildest dreams that people on this forum actually defends Irans, of all regimes in the middle east, rights to poses nuclear technology.

    Also, the power balance of the middle east will change significatly and Iran could use the threat of a nuclear attack to subdue neighbouring countries. The thing is that Irans doesn´t care if their victims retaliate, the president has said it himself several times.

    This is very depresing, since no one can stop them.

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    Looking from the Iranian prespective, I think Iran needs nukes. Iran is surrounded from both east and west by the most aggressive imperial power of our time. This power openly bullies Iranian government, openly labels them as "evil" and has the most advanced military on earth. Therefore, since Iranian army would not be effective at keeping them at bay, a nuclear weapon in the silo could be sufficient to keep these aggressors out. This nuke could also potentially improve the lives of many million people in the ME, since the terrorist state of Israel would have to restrict its aggression, given the intimidating effect a nuclear weapon tends to have.

    Do you have any idea about iran's foreign policy?
    Iran is a relatively peaceful state. Israel is an illegal and aggressive terrorist state with a complete disregard for human rights and UN resolutions. United States is a global power with expansionist intentions.
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    The non-proliferation treaty also speaks a clear language as regards to existing nuclear stockpiles, demanding nothing else but total disarmament. Every country that is signatory is bound by law to do so. BushCo even wanted to explicitely break the NPT by the development of new kinds of nuclear weapons before being stopped by the Senate. If that was enough is hard to say, since the executive can run lots of secret "black" projects.

    Before accusing the Republic of Iran of breaking a treaty it is bound to, just look at your own countries and have a look if they oblige to it. Chances are they don't.

    As Princeps has already said, the Iranians feel that nukes are what saves them from a devastating western attack and "regime change". What regime change looks like we can all see in Iraq, and if I were in Iran I wouldn't want to live in such a hell no matter how dictatorial my Mullahs are. In addition, it is not difficult to perceive the NPT itself (or rather its implementation) as nothing but a guarantee of a continued strategic superiority of the old nuclear powers. The NPT calls for disarmamant, therefore NO country has a right to nuclear weapons, neither Iran nor Israel nor France nor Britain nor America nor nobody. But what do the Iranians see? They see that nobody cares, so why should they care?

    Mind, we don't even know whether they try to build nukes or not, all we have are accusations based on mistrust, and everybody knows that the accusers have other "interests" in the middle east as well.

    What it all comes down to is this: You have to look at what people actually DO, and NOT what thay SAY, or who they say they ARE. The Iranian foreign aggression track record is way better than the western one, they are almost angels of peace compared to the "Allies". This conclusion is inevitable as soon as you mute the volume of your TV and open your eyes.

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    a proven threat, thats what people said about hitler too mate, read up on what happened there.

    (dont say its irrelevant when iran's leadership have almost exactly the same mindstate as hitler did)

    the whole idea of the treaties and actions people are supposed t otake (sanctions etc) is to stop anything bad happening in the first place.
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