There should be random occurances of incest/rape/adultery between family members

[RedGuard]

just an idea. Have a Political situation where a general finds his wife in bed with another. you must keep one or the other, or punish the wife by making her do a walk of shame, which decreases the loyalty for that general and decreases the influence of the wife, but gives a bonus to the man she slept with. also the general whose wife it was should get the flaccid trait, and ask you to let him divorce.

also there should be instances of generals forcing themselves on other wives/ relatives, to which you should have to deal with them accordingly (theres already a castration mechanic )

also extremely rare occurances of incest should happen with your faction heir, where you are either forced to except the heir's child as your own, replace the heir (would suck if he was your only blood) or kill the child (obviously with huge decreases in loyalty towards your heir)

[PeonKing]

Well they do have the 'unfortunate parentage' trait, that implies that they were born of close bloodlines. Otherwise, wasn't there something like this in R2? I think I remember catching your Generals with mistresses or something.

Otherwise, I mean... I guess they're isn't anything wrong with suggesting incest, I guess I never sat here and thought 'you know what my strategy game is missing? Rape and incest.'

[Humble Warrior]

Highly unlikely in the extreme that CA would ever be brave enough to do anything like this today.

That said the old MTW did have elements of this (with the incest).

[Tora]

As it stands, any woman eligible for marriage can be paired off with any single male or female, irrespective of age or kinship, enabling the potential for all manner of perverse couplings - subject to the user's peculiarities of imagination of course......

What more do you want?

In my one experiment with this, my 19yo heir's 64yo wife/great aunt died after only 3 months of marriage. Some sort of realism there I suppose....

(Must be odds on favourite to be fixed in the next patch)

[RedGuard]

haha no of course I'm not just suggesting this because I get my jollies off of it, its because it literally came to me in another thread where I used the Acronym WWTD what would tywin do? Tywin's family tree is all kinds of screwed with incest in a game of thrones. He has a dwarf son likely caused by repeated inbreeding thorought the lannister line, and his twins have their son on the throne which pretty much caused the whole book.

Just thought the idea of these situations which were probably a big deal with a noble/royal family tree back then, should pop up from time to time. I mean just look at how ed up the first dozen roman emperorers were because they were practically all cousins to one another.

[Butan]

Anything that makes the family management closer to the level of epic random events of CK2 would be an improvement even though its gross when you think about it, it both make sense at those times (and would today too if monarchs were still around) and enables lineage scenarios that are much more complex.

Yet as Tora said we have this at a slight degree, just with no conceivable limit or narrative.
Also the bastards could very well be the result of incest/adultery or rape.

[L337 NUB]

Adultery as event, sure. Could be interesting from time to time, especially if it triggers traits and effects politics. But I am glad there is never any reference to sexual violence. There is enough terrible stuff in the real world, glad it isnt my my imaginary world as well.

[RedGuard]

Adultery as event, sure. Could be interesting from time to time, especially if it triggers traits and effects politics. But I am glad there is never any reference to sexual violence. There is enough terrible stuff in the real world, glad it isnt my my imaginary world as well.

hmm I suppose thats a matter of taste. I think the real world used to be a lot worse, especially in this time period (and I'm talking for the majority of people) after all, it doesn't get the name the "dark ages" for nothing.

and the fact that incest and adultery (I'll forgo rape since its a sticky subject) were common place between nobles and lords back then. It should be a factor in the game.

[Humble Warrior]

It`s funny that some people say they don`t want that or this terrible subject in a game, but are happy to accept others. We even had one guy who said he hated puking ingame as that was apparently going a step too `far`. It`s the weird duality or hypocrisy of Mankind.

I don`t like war. I don`t like death or mutilations or any of the horrible stuff that comes with war, believe it or not.

But if it happened I`m willing to have it in a game about the period in that time of our history. I don`t separate adultery from any of the other awful things that happened in violent warfare.

The GOOD men did also should be put into games. Seriously, a lot of good happened in those days and it`s easy to lose that when all we focus on is the bad.

[RedGuard]

It`s funny that some people say they don`t want that or this terrible subject in a game, but are happy to accept others. We even had one guy who said he hated puking ingame as that was apparently going a step too `far`. It`s the weird duality or hypocrisy of Mankind.

I don`t like war. I don`t like death or mutilations or any of the horrible stuff that comes with war, believe it or not.

But if it happened I`m willing to have it in a game about the period in that time of our history. I don`t separate adultery from any of the other awful things that happened in violent warfare.

The GOOD men did also should be put into games. Seriously, a lot of good happened in those days and it`s easy to lose that when all we focus on is the bad.

very true. In the U.S you can show however much violence on TV and no one cares, but as soon you have a woman flash her tits its all over. Which is ironic considering the latter is natural but the former isn't.

I take back what I said about rape. I don't want to appear a hypocrite. is decapitations and limb removal really worse than rape or incest? really? I don't think so.

and its also very easy to forget the good as you say, I think mostly because this is Total War and not Total Build or something, but these people are literally resonsible for civilization as we know it. We can't forget that but neither can we forget they also did things that we don't agree with now(which also continue to happen, and by ignoring it we only exacerbate the problem)

[Captain W. Handberg]

There is the "In the Family" trait.

[Sebidee]

Nope, nope, nope.

[Jay the Byzantine]

A spine is a rare thing to come by in game developers nowadays.

[z3n]

I thought they already had that in MTW2 and probably RTW too for incest/adultery. They never explicitly stated which one did what to what one though which is sort of pointless anyway except for a loyalty malus.

[Sebidee]

I thought they already had that in MTW2 and probably RTW too for incest/adultery. They never explicitly stated which one did what to what one though which is sort of pointless anyway except for a loyalty malus.

Maybe adultery would be a good way of randomly causing trouble and loyalty drops with your generals. Not incest though we could do without that.

[Mortarion]

Well there was incest in Medieval 2, and CK2 has loads of incest lol.
Doubt they would ever implement rape though.

[.Mitch.]

Incest and adultery are already in the game via multiple different traits, you can even have multiple 'levels' of inbreading depending on if your parents were inbred or their parents parents were inbred. etc

Some, among others..
att_trait_agent_physical_all_innate_inbred
att_trait_general_personality_civilised_adulterer
att_trait_agent_physical_all_innate_very_inbred

[RedGuard]

Incest and adultery are already in the game via multiple different traits, you can even have multiple 'levels' of inbreading depending on if your parents were inbred or their parents parents were inbred. etc

Some, among others..
att_trait_agent_physical_all_innate_inbred
att_trait_general_personality_civilised_adulterer
att_trait_agent_physical_all_innate_very_inbred

well thats good to know. I was talking something more intuitive than just a trait though in the OP. these should be events, something you have to handle as a faction leader. something that could potentially split your realm and nobles.

[veverčák]

I do not think we really needs this. I mean technically we should be able to torture our subject, maim them and do other horrible things, but do we need them? I mean what would it bring it to the table?

[RedGuard]

I do not think we really needs this. I mean technically we should be able to torture our subject, maim them and do other horrible things, but do we need them? I mean what would it bring it to the table?

great ideas.