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    Default [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    As the title says,

    what kind of music did this cultures maybe listened to?
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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    Quote Originally Posted by _Tartaros_ View Post
    As the title says,

    what kind of music did this cultures maybe listened to?
    THERE IS NO KNOWN MUSIC THAT OLD,ONLY INSTRUMENTS ARE LEFT BUT IT IS PRETY MUCH UNLISTENABLE,it most probably has mongolic roots we got it from the tatars and the avarf folk music,but the lords in croatia and bosnia were known to rent musicians from west,italy or i dont know that time music.

    this is an old instrument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzswsr7LOy8 GUSLE,it is terible this here are serbian

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx3q3UwuX5o it is similar to this mongolian instrument,that one with the horse on the top!

    it is terible and it would be beter if u just put some modern music like all total wars

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwEoQG6Mnh8 theyr mongolian singing reminds me on this
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    You can use some folklore songs but it still depends on the song topic I cant think of any about events that far but there could be.If you want something more modern but still folklore I think of the BG group Isihia some of their songs seems suitable for the period.

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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsmen View Post
    this is an old instrument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzswsr7LOy8 GUSLE,it is terible this here are serbian

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tx3q3UwuX5o it is similar to this mongolian instrument,that one with the horse on the top!
    The gusla is similar to that Mongolian instrument only in that it's a stringed instrument. Otherwise, the gusla is a purely Slavic instrument, much more closely related to the Byzantine lyra.

    Btw, funny - I was just talking with Tony about the music, before I saw this thread! Unfortunately, I really doubt we can achieve a good authenticity with the music, considering (as thekingsmen said) there is almost no preserved music from this time, except for a few church chants and some modern guesstimate-reconstructions, based on later period recorded music (late medieval, folk etc). As hackera96 said, I think we'd have our best bet (besides church chants, especially for the Romans) with folk music. Preferably not songs, just music. Too bad we don't have a musical historian with us though, because even with just music I'm not sure which ones we could use (f.e. I've read that the tupan drum arrived on the Balkans only in the X c., and I'm not sure about the bagpipes and the kaval either). Not to mention what to do with the steppe factions (Magyars, Pechenegs) - Mongol music would be, IMHO, quite inaccurate for them, but we also have no idea what kind of music and/or singing did they have.

    I personally hope it would be easy to edit the music files (like it is in M&B), so I could add all kinds of non-authentic music for my ears' pleasure, including the aforementioned Isihia. Or something from this Western-medieval/Bulgarian-folk fusion album. Or go for something completely modernized and epic.

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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    seems to be mind-communication
    i have the vanilla soundfiles already ported to tgc (had to delete all the vanilla faction stuff and sort the cultures) and upload a teaser variation with some roman, islamic and other music in the dev (200MB allready).
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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    Quote Originally Posted by _Tartaros_ View Post
    seems to be mind-communication
    i have the vanilla soundfiles already ported to tgc (had to delete all the vanilla faction stuff and sort the cultures) and upload a teaser variation with some roman, islamic and other music in the dev (200MB allready).
    vanila music kills the mods,please no vanila!

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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    at the moments - there´s no vanilla music , but you need all vanilla soundrelated files to get your own stuff correct.
    i will take care of this
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsmen View Post
    but the lords in croatia and bosnia were known to rent musicians from west,italy
    No.




    They did used various kinds of instruments by that time, including bagpipes since the 7th century though;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eob8pDcXhV4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7luY7DoR0k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiBo59Cd5b0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-jSHii0AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BRH-rwikho (9:50 minutes of pure awesomeness from our northern neighbors)


    as well as the hurdy gurdy(since the 9th/10th century);

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmML7bu-iM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypuaJLHK_LQ


    ...but I doubt anyone could make a soundtrack from anything we currently have available online.
    Just use various soundtrack stuff that is already available.

    My music overhaul submod is available and I also recommend the music from the Magyar mod(bit late medieval but still far better than vanilla stuff).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius Marich View Post
    No.




    They did used various kinds of instruments by that time, including bagpipes since the 7th century though;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eob8pDcXhV4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7luY7DoR0k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiBo59Cd5b0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1-jSHii0AM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BRH-rwikho (9:50 minutes of pure awesomeness from our northern neighbors)


    as well as the hurdy gurdy(since the 9th/10th century);

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHmML7bu-iM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DX08nQows0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypuaJLHK_LQ


    ...but I doubt anyone could make a soundtrack from anything we currently have available online.
    Just use various soundtrack stuff that is already available.

    My music overhaul submod is available and I also recommend the music from the Magyar mod(bit late medieval but still far better than vanilla stuff).
    well i read something in an history book,the talk was about an old leter from some ruler or some bill something like that and the autor talked that there is a mention of some italian trubadurs or something that were brought to some weding or something in bosnia or croatia,

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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    great - i will take a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsmen View Post
    well i read something in an history book,the talk was about an old leter from some ruler or some bill something like that and the autor talked that there is a mention of some italian trubadurs or something that were brought to some weding or something in bosnia or croatia,
    Well, I have no knowledge about that, seems like a late medieval source(since we have literally 0 sources of such social events prior to the 12th/13th century), however it seems a bit bold to take a single mention of somebody bringing troubadours to some random wedding and take that as sufficient evidence to claim that there was a fashion of bringing foreign musicians throughout centuries of an entire culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marius Marich View Post
    Well, I have no knowledge about that, seems like a late medieval source(since we have literally 0 sources of such social events prior to the 12th/13th century), however it seems a bit bold to take a single mention of somebody bringing troubadours to some random wedding and take that as sufficient evidence to claim that there was a fashion of bringing foreign musicians throughout centuries of an entire culture.
    yes late medieval,as much as i know those teritorys were newer higlight points of musiocal arts,they didnt folow euroean trends.

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    Default Re: [Research] Bulgarian, Croat and Serbian Musik in 872-1071

    I'm not sure if I had posted it in the dev forum years ago or not (maybe Tony remembers? ), but here's a couple of albums with BG instruments. Obviously, not all tracks can be used (preferably only the instrumentals).
    Bulgarian authentic folk instruments
    Great masters of Bulgarian instrumental folklore
    I'm sure more could be found, if they're needed (here's f.e. a two-part FLAC collection of kavals).

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    got 56 new songs for all factions in the pipe, in total more than 120 atm (mostly not covered by other mods as i know). i will also include alot of the songs in this thread as soon as possible.
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    Arn and MageFX have sent us some tracks few years ago plus the MTW-1 ones!
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    How about some medieval rebec?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFRc6Y_4A7c
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWA6oTr0vnU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7qZMsp2Wk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTy-Rpo9Ppk
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7k6zAdiQSs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8XxaRPpAwU

    Certain melodies are of later period but the instrument itself was popular since the late 11th/early 12th century.

    Bit of a stretch but meh

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    whow - sounds great
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekingsmen View Post
    this is an old instrument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzswsr7LOy8 GUSLE,it is terible this here are serbian
    Wow... What attitude... Maybe you are terrible for telling something like that, based purely on your taste, or maybe even nationalism.

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    Maybe church music ? There are no medieval songs that we know. Only orthodox songs(for Bulgaria, Serbia).

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