Late Roman Legionaires

[Alex1987]

Who can make this submod? late roman legions and legionaries? I can make codding work for this for implementing in mod.

[Roma_Victrix]

Honestly, if no one wants to take a serious amount of time designing new units for a sub-mod, I'd like to see someone at least try to transfer already existing Roman legions from the Medieval II mod De Bello Mundi (DBM). I made a thread about unit transfers from DBM to EB II. However, even Gracul's tool for achieving this seems daunting for a newbie like me who doesn't know every little proper detail that needs to be punched in to the various fields of the editing tool. Someone knowledgeable of both DBM and EB II would probably have to fill in the blanks. Unfortunately that person isn't me.

[Samraat Mahendra Maurya]

Honestly, if no one wants to take a serious amount of time designing new units for a sub-mod, I'd like to see someone at least try to transfer already existing Roman legions from the Medieval II mod De Bello Mundi (DBM)

Two reasons I see for this,

1. Mob mentality
2. It's too hard.

I think number 2 is the major reason, If only it was like Rome 1!

[Roma_Victrix]

Two reasons I see for this,

1. Mob mentality
2. It's too hard.

I think number 2 is the major reason, If only it was like Rome 1!

You're probably right about this. For what it's worth, Rhaymo, the developer of DBM, has made it clear that anyone can use his material. It was very generous of him to relinquish control over his work of art, so it would be unfortunate for others not to take advantage of what he has to offer. EB II will most likely have an updated version of this mod with later units, perhaps a couple years from now, but in the meantime we have perfectly good-looking Roman legions from DBM that can be incorporated into this game. Again, I would do this myself, in fact I already made an attempt at this today, but I failed to do anything but produce a miserable CTD. Someone who is more experienced than I should seriously consider just transferring a few DBM units over the mod as a small start. It would make an enormous amount of improvement in terms of the tiny Roman roster at present.

[midnite]

You're probably right about this. For what it's worth, Rhaymo, the developer of DBM, has made it clear that anyone can use his material. It was very generous of him to relinquish control over his work of art, so it would be unfortunate for others not to take advantage of what he has to offer. EB II will most likely have an updated version of this mod with later units, perhaps a couple years from now, but in the meantime we have perfectly good-looking Roman legions from DBM that can be incorporated into this game. Again, I would do this myself, in fact I already made an attempt at this today, but I failed to do anything but produce a miserable CTD. Someone who is more experienced than I should seriously consider just transferring a few DBM units over the mod as a small start. It would make an enormous amount of improvement in terms of the tiny Roman roster at present.

Which units are you trying to transfer?

[Roma_Victrix]

Which units are you trying to transfer?

I tried transferring "Legionary_Victrix6" (as it is called in the export_descr_unit.txt file) but I couldn't get it to work, probably because I didn't take everything into consideration when editing the battle_models file.

I'd like to transfer that unit, but it's a lorica segmentata legion, which the EB II team is not a fan of considering our time frame ends in 14 AD. Segmentata armor wasn't used until about the end of the 1st century AD. Therefore I'd like to see at least some lorica hamata (i.e. chainmail) legions from DBM being transferred to EB II. Those in particular would be:

* Legionary_Alaudae
* Legionary_Ferrata6
* Legionary_Fulminata
* Legionary_Scythica

If someone would like to throw in a bonus, by all means, please transfer Legionary_Victrix6 as well.

If you're feeling extra cheeky, throw in the Roman Heavy Onager, since the only artillery in EB II are scorpions and oxybeles bolt throwers.

Are you capable of doing this, midnite? You are an Invasio Barbarorum II developer after all (I love the releases so far, by the way, to say nothing about the first IB mods for RTW like IBDF and SAI). I would rep you only about a thousand times for the next year or so if you did this. Hell, I might even throw $10 or $20 your way via money transfer sites like PayPal for your services rendered. You guys work so hard on this stuff; you deserve a bit of money aside from all the praise.

Unless you're a really experienced modder, though, I fear you'll run into some problems. Aside from textures and skins, I think the "skeletons" of the units in EB II and DBM are vastly different models. There are also other little details to consider, with units like the legionary centurion (officer) in DBM holding his sword upright as he stands, which is inaccurate since no one would hold a sword like that (the elbow shouldn't be bent, the arm should be parallel to the body with the sword pointing down when he's not using it).

[QuintusSertorius]

Have you tried using the Basic Uploader - I've never found the "complex" one works. Otherwise, which versions do you want - the standard EBII 2.01 files, or the modified EDU?

[Roma_Victrix]

Have you tried using the Basic Uploader - I've never found the "complex" one works. Otherwise, which versions do you want - the standard EBII 2.01 files, or the modified EDU?

Could you perhaps supply him with both? So that people could choose between standard EB 2.01 and EDU? Or perhaps only the updated EDU version is better, because this late legionaries sub-mod won't be save-game compatible anyway, if the export_descr_unit file is being edited.

I'm not sure how to use the basic uploader; I think I've always used the "complex" one. Could you be a dear and help out here by uploading these two files in my stead? It would reduce my headache and I would be eternally grateful.

[QuintusSertorius]

Here's my edited EDU: export_descr_unit.txt

And the other file: battle_models.zip

[Roma_Victrix]

Here's my edited EDU: export_descr_unit.txt

And the other file: battle_models.zip

Thanks for doing this! I was just about to take b0Gia's advice and use a Chrome browser instead of Mozilla Firefox to upload these, but I see you already have. Cheers.

[Roma_Victrix]

Just in case you need it, midnite, here is the export_descr_unit file from the non-EDU version of EB II v. 2.01 (i.e. as per the official release, not QuintusSertorius's current EDU that mods unit stats, which may or may not be save-game compatible and might not work with campaigns).

b0Gia was right! Chrome is needed instead of Firefox for uploading these files.

[midnite]

Just in case you need it, midnite, here is the export_descr_unit file from the non-EDU version of EB II v. 2.01 (i.e. as per the official release, not QuintusSertorius's current EDU that mods unit stats, which may or may not be save-game compatible and might not work with campaigns).

b0Gia was right! Chrome is needed instead of Firefox for uploading these files.

I will check out the files. Which units do you want in particular? I will try one first and see how it works.

[Roma_Victrix]

I will check out the files. Which units do you want in particular? I will try one first and see how it works.

How about you try the one I failed to transfer (as explained on the previous page): "Legionary_Victrix6", one of the lorica segmentata legions. If it works, you should consider also doing the four lorica hamata legions I listed on the previous page, since the EB II time frame does not cover lorica segmentata legions that belong to the latter half of the 1st century AD / 2nd century AD. Tell me how it goes! Once again, you might run into trouble with the skeleton if DBM ones are drastically different than those for EB II models.

And once again, if you're feeling really cheeky and on a roll, feel free to add those mounted Han Chinese crossbowmen too.

[midnite]

How about you try the one I failed to transfer (as explained on the previous page): "Legionary_Victrix6", one of the lorica segmentata legions. If it works, you should consider also doing the four lorica hamata legions I listed on the previous page, since the EB II time frame does not cover lorica segmentata legions that belong to the latter half of the 1st century AD / 2nd century AD. Tell me how it goes! Once again, you might run into trouble with the skeleton if DBM ones are drastically different than those for EB II models.

And once again, if you're feeling really cheeky and on a roll, feel free to add those mounted Han Chinese crossbowmen too.

I will give this a shot this weekend.

[midnite]

How about you try the one I failed to transfer (as explained on the previous page): "Legionary_Victrix6", one of the lorica segmentata legions. If it works, you should consider also doing the four lorica hamata legions I listed on the previous page, since the EB II time frame does not cover lorica segmentata legions that belong to the latter half of the 1st century AD / 2nd century AD. Tell me how it goes! Once again, you might run into trouble with the skeleton if DBM ones are drastically different than those for EB II models.

And once again, if you're feeling really cheeky and on a roll, feel free to add those mounted Han Chinese crossbowmen too.

Success . I have the Legionary_Victrix6 working. Pics Tomorrow.

[Roma_Victrix]

Success . I have the Legionary_Victrix6 working. Pics Tomorrow.

Excellent! I sure would love to know how you succeeded where I failed, though.

Since you're an Invasio Barbarorum II team developer, are there any late Roman legions or units in that series of mods that would be compatible or at least suitable looking for early Rome and the late Republic?

[QuintusSertorius]

A request; could we use this thread to talk about this submod - I really hate Visitor Messages and try to avoid using them at all. I check the fora multiple times a day, every day, I don't need to be notified of developments outside this thread.

Hi Quintus,

Since Midnite seems very serious about transferring DBM Roman legions into EB II for a sub-mod, could you perhaps consult with him about making the Roman legions compatible with the stat values in your EDU? For instance, how they throw pila and the rate that they do.

However, is your EDU safe for new campaigns, though, instead of just custom battles? Or does it still CTD?

The previously posted EDU won't CTD at all; the reason I suggested not using it for campaigns was that there are three "test" units in it that have values completely different to the others of their type. If you want one with regularised/consistent units, use this instead: Attachment 323914

For either of them, you need the updated descr_projectiles.txt in conjunction with it: Attachment 323915 - if you've been trying to use the new EDU with original d_p, that will cause a CTD.

What you need for stat values is the Polybian Principes, since essentially every basic legionary from the Marian legionary onwards is that:

; Principes Polybian
; COMMENTS Principes Polybian / Unit ID 183 / Start exp: 0 / Refr rate: 0,048 / Pool cap: 6
type roman infantry principes polybian
dictionary roman_infantry_principes_polybian
category infantry
class spearmen
voice_type General
accent Roman_Latin
banner faction main_spear
banner holy crusade
soldier Principes_Polybian, 64, 0, 1.25, 0.3
officer officer_roman_camillan
officer officer_roman_principes_sb
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, hardy, free_upkeep_unit, can_withdraw, cannot_skirmish
move_speed_mod 0.83
formation 0.89, 1.19, 2.7, 2.7, 4, square
stat_health 1, 5
stat_pri 9, 0, pilum50, 55, 1, thrown, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1 (EDITED)
stat_pri_attr prec, thrown, ap (EDITED)
stat_sec 10, 5, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 9, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 3
stat_ground 1, 0, 0, -1
stat_mental 6, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 12
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 1538, 335, 81, 591, 1250, 6, 500
stat_stl 9
armour_ug_levels 0
armour_ug_models Principes_Polybian
ownership f_rome, f_carthage, f_makedonia, f_epeiros, f_kh, f_seleukid, f_ptolemaioi, f_baktria, f_hayasdan, f_pontos, f_parthia, f_aedui, f_arverni, f_casse, f_lusotannan, f_sweboz, f_getai, f_saba, f_saka, f_sauromatae, f_numidia, f_pergamon, f_gandhara, f_lugia, f_bosporan, f_arevaci, f_boii, f_nabatu, slave
era 0 f_rome
era 1 f_rome
era 2 f_rome, f_carthage, f_makedonia, f_epeiros, f_kh, f_seleukid, f_ptolemaioi, f_baktria, f_hayasdan, f_pontos, f_parthia, f_aedui, f_arverni, f_casse, f_lusotannan, f_sweboz, f_getai, f_saba, f_saka, f_sauromatae, f_numidia, f_pergamon, f_gandhara, f_lugia, f_bosporan, f_arevaci, f_boii, f_nabatu
info_pic_dir f_all
card_pic_dir f_all
recruit_priority_offset 5

[Roma_Victrix]

Cool! Thanks for sharing and letting me know further details about your EDU.

@Midnite: I hope this info is useful for you when you transfer DBM legions into EB II!

[QuintusSertorius]

Hmmm, that principes comes out of the trunk-EDU (ie the current build the team are working on). The attack value on the pilum (on stat_pri) is going to be excessive compared to others in the test-EDU I just shared. Better to use:

9, 0, pilum50, 55, 1, thrown, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1

[Roma_Victrix]

Hmmm, that principes comes out of the trunk-EDU (ie the current build the team are working on). The attack value on the pilum (on stat_pri) is going to be excessive compared to others in the test-EDU I just shared. Better to use:

Very well. Are you absolutely certain that the later Roman legions (once the EB II team makes their own) are going to have the same exact stats as Polybian principes? Aren't the post-Marian legions supposed to be better fighting units, both historically speaking and as a game mechanic of having improved, heavier infantry over time?