http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31893351
Stupid move. Gives the argument that the west conducts a religious war. Reminds me of the crusades speech of George Bush
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Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31893351
Stupid move. Gives the argument that the west conducts a religious war. Reminds me of the crusades speech of George Bush
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
A war against ISIS would definitely fulfill the criteria of a Just War.
hoi polloi
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
Looks like a blunt but measured statement to me but hey we already bombing ISIS so whatever. If it pulls a little more activity out of Europe can't hurt.Originally Posted by Papay
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'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
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Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
This is virtually nothing like the "Crusade" mentioned by Bush when he invaded Iraq in 2003. The Vatican is basically saying that if a peaceful political solution and settlement cannot be made with ISIS, because they are irrational genocidal demagogues, then there is no other option but a military one to push them back and ensure the safety of ethnic minorities in the region that are being wiped out. That includes the Yazidis, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and Shia Arabs, plus any Sunni Arab that doesn't follow the hardline interpretation of Islam that ISIS touts. Pope Francis does outreach to imams and leaders of the Muslim world all the time. This stance against ISIS is hardly a provocation against the Islamic world, unless of course you are inferring that ISIS represents the Islamic world.
It's not like Pope Francis called for Jerusalem to be retaken, although admittedly it is in the hands of Israel.
The comments about how posterity will judge the Catholic Church for not taking a stand is almost certainly an argument born from the criticism the Catholic Church received for being largely passive against the violent expansion of Nazi Germany in the late 1930s and 40s, plus their own genocidal campaigns.
Last edited by Roma_Victrix; March 15, 2015 at 07:21 AM.
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Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
In times when all the world hears, these are irresponsible comments. I am quite sure that muslim fanatics will play with these comments to convince their brethren that the west conducts a religious war. Bty in Iraq and Syria there is a war. Christians in these areas cannot pretend that these wars do not affect them. They choose sides, they kill and get killed. The unfortunate result of civil warsThis is virtually nothing like the "Crusade" mentioned by Bush when he invaded Iraq in 2003. The Vatican is basically saying that if a peaceful political solution and settlement cannot be made with ISIS, because they are irrational genocidal demagogues, then there is no other option but a military one to push them back and ensure the safety of ethnic minorities in the region that are being wiped out. That includes the Yazidis, the Kurds, the Assyrians, and Shia Arabs, plus any Sunni Arab that doesn't follow the hardline interpretation of Islam that ISIS touts. Pope Francis does outreach to imams and leaders of the Muslim world all the time. This stance against ISIS is hardly a provocation against the Islamic world, unless of course you are inferring that ISIS represents the Islamic world.
It's not like Pope Francis called for Jerusalem to be retaken, although admittedly it is in the hands of Israel.
The comments about how posterity will judge the Catholic Church for not taking a stand is almost certainly an argument born from the criticism the Catholic Church received for being largely passive against the violent expansion of Nazi Germany in the late 1930s and 40s, plus their own genocidal campaigns.
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Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
That's why any Christian expeditionary force will need local auxiliaries.
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hoi polloi
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
But so is ISIS so what's to loose?In times when all the world hears, these are irresponsible comments. I am quite sure that muslim fanatics will play with these comments to convince their brethren that the west conducts a religious war
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Protector Domesticus
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
1.500.000.000 muslims out there. If you convince 0.1% of them you have created an army of 1.500.000 people
hoi polloi
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
Again maybe they should study history last time I checked Byzantine and Persia did not vote to become Islamic - I tired of the Crusade BS. I am on board if it gets ISIS ass hats killed or put in prison. Call the whambulance you states turned out to suck and you got your ass handed to by Europe deal.
Last edited by conon394; March 15, 2015 at 09:03 AM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
You could make it all 1.5 billion and we'd still win.
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Re: Vatican backs using military force against ISIS
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