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    Kinda shocking, certainly doesn't look as though everyone thinks the movie is that funny.

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    Borat film 'tricked' poor village actors
    By BOJAN PANCEVSKI and CARMIOLA IONESCU, Mail on Sunday
    Last updated at 21:25pm on 11th November 2006

    When Sacha Baron Cohen wanted a village to represent the impoverished Kazakh home of his character Borat, he found the perfect place in Glod: a remote mountain outpost with no sewerage or running water and where locals eke out meagre livings peddling scrap iron or working patches of land.

    But now the villagers of this tiny, close-knit community have angrily accused the comedian of exploiting them, after discovering his new blockbuster film portrays them as a backward group of rapists, abortionists and prostitutes, who happily engage in casual incest.

    They claim film-makers lied to them about the true nature of the project, which they believed would be a documentary about their hardship, rather than a comedy mocking their poverty and isolation.

    Villagers say they were paid just £3 each for this humiliation, for a film that took around £27million at the worldwide box office in its first week of release.

    Now they are planning to scrape together whatever modest sums they can muster to sue Baron Cohen and fellow film-makers, claiming they never gave their consent to be so cruelly misrepresented.

    Disabled Nicu Tudorache said: This is disgusting. They conned us into doing all these things and never told us anything about what was going on. They made us look like primitives, like uncivilised savages. Now they,re making millions but have only paid us 15 lei [around £3].

    Cambridge-educated Baron Cohen filmed the opening scenes of the Borat movie in Glod - a village that is actually in Romania, rather than Kazakhstan, and whose name literally translates as 'mud', last summer.

    Its 1,000 residents live in dilapidated huts in the shadow of the Carpathian mountains. Toilets are little more than sheltered holes in the ground and horses and donkeys are the only source of transport.

    Just four villagers have permanent employment in the nearby towns of Pucioasa or Fieni, while the rest live off what little welfare benefits they get.

    So when a Hollywood film crew descended on a nearby run-down motel last September, with their flashy cars and expensive equipment, locals thought their lowly community might finally be getting some of the investment it so desperately needs.

    The crew was led by a man villagers describe as 'nice and friendly, if a bit weird and ugly', who they later learned was Baron Cohen. It is thought the producers chose the region because locals more closely resembled his comic creation than genuine Kazakhs.

    The comedian insisted on travelling everywhere with bulky bodyguards, because, as one local said: 'He seemed to think there were crooks among us.'

    While the rest of the crew based themselves in the motel, Baron Cohen stayed in a hotel in Sinaia, a nearby ski resort a world away from Glod's grinding poverty. He would come to the village every morning to do 'weird things', such as bringing animals inside the run-down homes, or have the village children filmed holding weapons.

    Mr Tudorache, a deeply religious grandfather who lost his arm in an accident, was one of those who feels most humiliated. For one scene, a rubber sex toy in the shape of a fist was attached to the stump of his missing arm - but he had no idea what it was.

    Only when The Mail on Sunday visited him did he find out. He said he was ashamed, confessing that he only agreed to be filmed because he hoped to top up his £70-a-month salary - although in the end he was paid just £3.

    He invited us into his humble home and brought out the best food and drink his family had. Visibly disturbed, he said shakily: 'Someone from the council said these Americans need a man with no arm for some scenes. I said yes but I never imagined the whole country, or even the whole world, will see me in the cinemas ridiculed in this way. This is disgusting.

    'Our region is very poor, and everyone is trying hard to get out of this misery. It is outrageous to exploit people's misfortune like this to laugh at them.

    'We are now coming together and will try to hire a lawyer and take legal action for being cheated and exploited. We are simple folk and don't know anything about these things, but I have faith in God and justice.'

    If the village does sue the film-makers, they won't be the first. Last week, two unnamed college students who were caught on film drunkenly making racist and sexist comments took legal action, claiming the production team plied them with alcohol and falsely promised that the footage would never be seen in America.

    Many other unwitting victims of Baron Cohen's pranks have also spoken out against the way they were conned and - unsurprisingly - the rulers of Kazakhstan have long taken issue with the image Borat paints of their vast, oil-rich nation.

    The residents of Glod only found out about the true nature of the film after seeing a Romanian TV report. Some thought it was an art project, others a documentary.

    The Mail on Sunday showed them the cinema trailer - the first footage they had seen from the film. Many were on the brink of tears as they saw how they were portrayed.

    Claudia Luca, who lives with her extended family in the house next to the one that served as Borat's home, said: 'We now realise they only came here because we are poorer than anyone else in this village. They never told us what they were doing but took advantage of our misfortune and poverty. They made us look like savages, why would anyone do that?'

    Her brother-in law Gheorghe Luca owns the house that stood in for Borat's - which the film-makers adorned by bringing a live cow into his living room.

    Luca, who now refers to Baron Cohen as to the 'ugly, tall, moustachioed American man', even though the 35-year-old comedian is British, said: 'They paid my family £30 for four full days. They were nice and friendly, but we could not understand a single word they were saying.

    'It was very uncomfortable at the end and there was animal manure all over our home. We endured it because we are poor and badly needed the money, but now we realise we were cheated and taken advantage of in the worst way.

    'All those things they said about us in the film are terribly humiliating. They said we drink horse urine and sleep with our own kin. You say it's comedy, but how can someone laugh at that?'

    Spirea Ciorobea, who played the 'village mechanic and abortionist', said: 'What I saw looks disgusting. Even if we are uneducated and poor, it is not fair that someone does this to us.'

    He remembered wondering why the crew took an old, broken Dacia car and turned it into a horse cart. He said: 'We all thought they were a bit crazy, but now its seems they wanted to show that it is us who drive around in carts like that.'

    Local councillor Nicolae Staicu helped the crew with their shooting, but he claims he was never told what sort of movie they were making, and that they failed to get a proper permit for filming.

    Staicu, who had never dealt with a film crew before, said: 'I was happy they came and I thought it would be useful for our country, but they never bothered to ask for a permit, let alone pay the official fees.

    'I realise I should have taken some legal steps but I was simply naive enough to believe that they actually wanted to do something good for the community here.

    'They came with bodyguards and expensive cars and just went on with their job, so we assumed someone official in the capital Bucharest had let them film.'

    Bogdan Moncea of Castel Film, the Bucharest-based production company that helped the filming in Romania, said the crew donated computers and TV sets to the local school and the villagers. But the locals have denied this.

    Mr Staicu said: 'The school got some notebooks, but that was it. People are angry now, they feel cheated.'

    It's a feeling Glod is used to. The village, like others in the Dambovita region of Romania, is populated mainly by gipsies who say they are discriminated against by the rest of the country.

    Indeed, when local vice-mayor Petre Buzea was asked whether the people felt offended by Baron Cohen's film, he replied: 'They got paid so I am sure they are happy. These gipsies will even kill their own father for money.'

    No one from the 20th Century Fox studio was available for comment on the villagers' claims.

    But feelings in Glod are running so high that The Mail on Sunday saw angry villagers brandishing farm implements chase out a local TV crew, shouting that they had enough of being exploited.

    It is small comfort that few, if any, of them will get to see the Borat film. Not a single villager we spoke to had ever been able to afford a trip to the nearest cinema, 20 miles away.

    Perhaps that's the real reason why film-makers chose Glod in the first place.

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    So it's agreed: exploiting the poor is fun!
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    I'm not that shocked. If the producers were willing to take advantage of ignorant rednecks and drunken frat brats, I have no doubt that they did the same with Romanian villagers. Oh well, life goes on.

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    While it's quite likely the villagers had no clue about the actual script, the guys from Castel Film did. It was them who identified the village, took some pictures or even made a short video about it and then pitched it to Baron Cohen. They went then back to the village and negotiated the details with the local authorities and the people, hidding the truth about the script.

    For me the main problem is not that Castel Film and Baron Cohen found a very poor village and made it look even worse in the movie. Given the political climate in my country that would undoubtely put pressure on the Romanian government to address the poverty issues in areas that are still like that. What I dislike is the villagers were lied to. They were paid for doing what they did (bringing cows inside their houses or accepting to wear sex toys as prosthetics) but they were not explained the roles they were made to play. Unlike the 2 American students who have also decided to sue Cohen, the villagers were acting, not speaking their minds or behaving like they do in everyday life. Hopefully a good lawyer would be able to squeeze a nice sum out of Cohen and Castel Films by proving that one of the contracting parties didn't act in good faith when entering in the contractual relation.
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    While I originally (And still) support showing the film because of Freedom of Speech, I've come to be a lot more disgusted with it.

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    They were paid to perform certain acts, such as have the children hold weapons, or have the old man put a sec toy on his arm stump, and they did them, and they weer paid. I dont see how they think they were conned. If they did not want anyone to see them doing those humiliating acts, then they should not have done them. If however they find it worthwhile to do them for money, as they obviously did, then they should not complain.

    Same goes with those frat boys. If they did not want anyone to know that they are sexist and racist, they should not have said those things under any circumstances. People's personnel weaknesses are not cohen's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the Eternal Cocoon
    Same goes with those frat boys. If they did not want anyone to know that they are sexist and racist, they should not have said those things under any circumstances. People's personnel weaknesses are not cohen's fault.
    I agree with you about the frat boys: they were not acting but simply being themselves.
    Quote Originally Posted by the Eternal Cocoon
    They were paid to perform certain acts, such as have the children hold weapons, or have the old man put a sec toy on his arm stump, and they did them, and they weer paid. I dont see how they think they were conned. If they did not want anyone to see them doing those humiliating acts, then they should not have done them. If however they find it worthwhile to do them for money, as they obviously did, then they should not complain.
    The second situation is not that clearly cut: the people were paid to do something. According to the Romanian law that implies a contractual relation, that is a contract is supposed to have existed between the two parties. The fact it might not have been a written one is not important as the Romanian law allows also for unwritten contracts - the acts of boarding a bus, a train, a plane, a ship or a taxi for instance are considered by the Romanian law as creating a contract between the passenger and the owner of the means of transportation, with certain implicit rights and obligations for either side. Giving money to a beggar is also considered to be an unwritten contract (this time an unilateral one because the beggar has no obligations but has the right not accept and not to return the money).

    One very important aspect of contracts according to our legal system is all the parties in a contract need to act in good faith (I assume the same principle is valid in all the civilised countries). Cohen/Castel Films paid money and by doing so they accepted that the villagers should be compensated with money for whatever they were required to do. If a judge rules Cohen and/or Castel Films were not acting in good faith by not telling to the villagers what they were actually paid for (to act in a fiction movie playing the members of a Kazakh village instead of telling them they were making a documentary) then the same judge has the right to decide a higher amount of money would be a fair compensation for the villagers' performance. If the villagers get a good lawyer (and there are plenty of them) they might end up seeing Cohen's visit as a blessing. I'm not sure how Cohen and Castel Film owners would feel about it in such a case
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    The villagers would have never been informed of the movie had The Mail never told them about it. They were piss poor and I doubt there's a cinema anywhere near the village that would be showing Borat, of all movies. But of course, in came the foreigners to inform them that they were humiliated to such an extent. In other words, the reporters did more harm by revealing the details of the "documentary" to the villagers than Sacha Cohen did by including them in it.

    This news is a staged sentimental approach against a movie that is very controversial, albeit extremely well crafted and executed. Sentiments don't do much to stop me from seeing past the b.s. It's obvious how the story is portrayed to put Borat and his crew in a bad light and how there's possibly a hidden agenda at play (Kazakh government?). It doesn't make the movie any worse or less comical. If anything, it just shows the absurdity of people's reactions towards the movie, making me appreciate the insanity of it all even more.
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    I think this is an entirely different matter than a couple of rich white boys saying bad things about black people. These people were obviously fooled, they weren't even told what they were doing. Even if all the necessary papers and documents are in order, I think its shameful.

    Anyway, this was funny (for me and my twisted sense of gratification):

    Just four villagers have permanent employment in the nearby towns of Pucioasa or Fieni, while the rest live off what little welfare benefits they get.
    I read this and was like wtf.

    Then, revelation:
    The village, like others in the Dambovita region of Romania, is populated mainly by gipsies
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    Are we all believing what The Mail say's now or what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Siblesz
    This news is a staged sentimental approach against a movie that is very controversial, albeit extremely well crafted and executed. Sentiments don't do much to stop me from seeing past the b.s. It's obvious how the story is portrayed to put Borat and his crew in a bad light and how there's possibly a hidden agenda at play (Kazakh government?). It doesn't make the movie any worse or less comical. If anything, it just shows the absurdity of people's reactions towards the movie, making me appreciate the insanity of it all even more.
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    So ****ing what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Eternal Cocoon
    They were paid to perform certain acts, such as have the children hold weapons, or have the old man put a sec toy on his arm stump, and they did them, and they weer paid. I dont see how they think they were conned. If they did not want anyone to see them doing those humiliating acts, then they should not have done them. If however they find it worthwhile to do them for money, as they obviously did, then they should not complain.
    I fully agree.
    I don't see how the villagers could be "fooled" as they were present when the movie was shot.
    If they didn't like what was filmed they should have complained right away, not wait until the movie is making millions.

    Which brings me to my next point:
    Those villagers only sue because they think they can get $$$.
    Isn't that obvious?
    They don't care about "honor" or stuff like that, they just want a bigger piece of the pie.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    Which brings me to my next point:
    Those villagers only sue because they think they can get $$$.
    Isn't that obvious?
    They don't care about "honor" or stuff like that, they just want a bigger piece of the pie.
    Good on you Dude!

    I thoroughly agree.

    The lazy bastards, trying to squeeze the last dime out of Sacha Cohen and co. They've been made bloody famous and now they're just trying to line their pockets from something they had little part in. The godamn fools were paid £3, for god's sake.

    It's disgusting that Sacha Cohen and the production companies are being made to live like tramps so as to fill the purses of some inflated Romany vagabonds. So F------ what if the company said they were going to improve their impoverished standards of living; after all, what fun is life if your not allowed to screw around with some poor sods once in a while. Why the hell can't we just nuke them?!?!??!

    God, I'd like to take an AK-47 and RAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT-A-TAT ....ZOOOOMMGMGMMGMGMGM-TCK-TCK-TCk-TCK-BOOOMMMM-AUUGHGHGHGHGHHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    I fully agree.
    I don't see how the villagers could be "fooled" as they were present when the movie was shot.
    If they didn't like what was filmed they should have complained right away, not wait until the movie is making millions.
    Your kidding right? Did it look to you like they even had a clue about what he was saying? These people were rural villagers that didn't even have running water or sewage, I seriously doubt any of them understood a darn thing that he was saying, much less realised the fact that he was portraying them as rapists and such, remember these are ROMANIANS, likely not one of them spoke more than two or three words of english. I feel no sympathy for the idiot redneck students, or anybody else that was exposed as a cretin or racist in this movie but you can't compare the two situations. He and his production company took advantage of that villages poverty and need for their own profit in a contemptible manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyho
    Your kidding right? Did it look to you like they even had a clue about what he was saying? These people were rural villagers that didn't even have running water or sewage, I seriously doubt any of them understood a darn thing that he was saying
    They are poor, not retards (or at least not AFAIKT).
    You really think they don't even know what a sex toy looks like because their village is poor?

    They might not understand English, but they have eyes and mouths to ask what it's about.

    btw: the Roma ("Gypsies") in Amsterdam are all on welfare too.
    Most of them can't even read or write.
    This is not because my government doesn't want to help them, but because they believe education is bad, they think a child learns more at home than at school. (yeah, they learn how to live on welfare and crime.)
    I really can't feel sorry for those people, if they want to break with poverty they need to have a culture change and allow their children to get an education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik
    They are poor, not retards (or at least not AFAIKT).
    You really think they don't even know what a sex toy looks like because their village is poor?

    They might not understand English, but they have eyes and mouths to ask what it's about.
    I missed that part cause I went to get popcorn and drinks so I honestly didn't see what you just described, the lineup at the snack counter took about 10 minutes or so. By the time I had returned to my seat that part was over. I assumed nothing of interest was going on so went for snacks.

    Had I seen what you described I would not have been so quick to say anything on this subject, no one I was there with mentioned that part either. So I happily admit you were right on this subject and I was wrong, by the way what does AFAIKT mean?

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    Does anyone else find it extremely ironic that a group of Gypsies got ripped off?





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    Not to be completely heartless, but a small part of my heart is warmed by the fact that one of the gypsies blaimed America for the actions of Cohen. Ignorant Gypsies.

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    and what do you know, Borat gets his ass kicked...

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    BORAT star Sacha Baron Cohen was beaten up by a passer-by after he tried to play a prank as his alter ego.
    He approached the man and said: “I like your clothings. Are nice! Please may I buying? I want have sex with it.”

    But the bystander didn’t see the joke. He took one look at Cohen and punched him in the face.

    The funnyman — known for his Borat catchphrase “Jagshemash!” — yelled for help but was slugged again and again.

    He was rescued by actor pal Hugh Laurie who had been on his way to a New York bar with Cohen.

    Laurie rushed to help and pushed the man away as Cohen struggled to his feet. A pal of Cohen said: “Sacha couldn’t resist playing the fool as Borat, but picked on the wrong person.

    “I guess this guy thought he was being attacked by someone unstable and lashed out. Sacha is very lucky he didn’t get a much worse beating.”

    The incident took place after Laurie and Cohen appeared on the US TV show Saturday Night Live. The Brit comics were on their way to a late dinner when Laurie suggested they visit a bar in Manhattan.

    Laurie, 47, told friends he feared Cohen was going to get badly beaten up. Luckily, 35-year-old Cohen did not receive any lasting scars.

    Studio chiefs have warned Cohen to avoid pretending to be the spoof Kazakhstan TV reporter on the streets. Since the film was launched he has only appeared in character while promoting the movie on American television shows.

    Borat: Cultural Learnings of America For Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan is tipped to become the highest grossing comedy of all time.
    Had to happen at some point here in the States, and i'm certainly not surprised it was in New York either.

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    What a dickhead. Hitting some poor foreigner.. ignorant American
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