Ebdanians and Caledonians

[Viva Espana!]

Has anyone noticed that the Ebdanians and Caledonians keep becoming huge blocks and moving southward into France? In the past three campaigns I've played, they've become some of the major powers and it's frankly ridiculous. Why is Ireland raiding others anyway? The Saxons are meant to be raiding England! But as it is, the Saxons generally just bum around in Frisia.

[Keyser]

Yes it is ridiculous that the celtic factions end up raiding people instead of being raided and it's ridiculous that their roster is nordic at the moment. However, given your other thread were you are hinting at CA having lost it since Rome 1 and Med II, how is it more ridiculous than Milan owning most of continental europe as it almost always happened in Med II from my experience ?

[Lugotorix]

Yes. They were the last men standing in continental Europe other than Hispania and I... and some Maurians. The Picts have settled in the one region that's left of Raetia.

[Geronimo2006]

The Irish were involved in raiding Roman Britain and Sub-Roman Britain a great deal - as well as Gaul to some extent. That's who St.Patrick (original name Sucadh) ended up in Ireland. Also the war known as the Great Conspiracy (put down by Theodosius's father Count Theodosius) involved raiders from Ireland whom the Romans called the Scotii (at the time Scotia was one of the Roman names for Ireland along with Hibernia). The term Scottii eventually was transferred to modern Scotland after Gaelic speaking invaders led by Aidan invaded mainland Scotland.

I don't have an issue with the historicity of Irish raiders, but I am annoyed they use a Nordic unit roster.

[Viva Espana!]

The Irish were involved in raiding Roman Britain and Sub-Roman Britain a great deal - as well as Gaul to some extent. That's who St.Patrick (original name Sucadh) ended up in Ireland. Also the war known as the Great Conspiracy (put down by Theodosius's father Count Theodosius) involved raiders from Ireland whom the Romans called the Scotii (at the time Scotia was one of the Roman names for Ireland along with Hibernia). The term Scottii eventually was transferred to modern Scotland after Gaelic speaking invaders led by Aidan invaded mainland Scotland.

I don't have an issue with the historicity of Irish raiders, but I am annoyed they use a Nordic unit roster.

Thanks for the info! Wasn't aware!

And about Milan owning Europe -- Milan was one of the major powers at the time, thus I had no problem with it. The Ebdanians would normally be represented by "rebels" so it's ridiculous that they usually conquer most of Gaul.

[Keyser]

Thanks for the info! Wasn't aware!

And about Milan owning Europe -- Milan was one of the major powers at the time, thus I had no problem with it.

Yep, totally on par with the kings of France, the Holy roman emperor, Hungary, England, Castilla, Aragon, the Ottoman, or even Venice...

The Ebdanians would normally be represented by "rebels" so it's ridiculous that they usually conquer most of Gaul.

For my part i was aware of the irish raids and their invasion of scotland, however considering the fact that they indeed are often a major threat to most of Gaul and britain in Attila, i still think it's indeed a bit ridiculous...
However the fact they would be considered as "rebels" in ancient games has nothing to do with it. Thanks god there are no more rebels "factions" filling the gaps in the faction roster, so they are a faction like any other and they should be.

[Viva Espana!]

Yep, totally on par with the kings of France, the Holy roman emperor, Hungary, England, Castilla, Aragon, the Ottoman, or even Venice...



For my part i was aware of the irish raids and their invasion of scotland, however considering the fact that they indeed are often a major threat to most of Gaul and britain in Attila, i still think it's indeed a bit ridiculous...
However the fact they would be considered as "rebels" in ancient games has nothing to do with it. Thanks god there are no more rebels "factions" filling the gaps in the faction roster, so they are a faction like any other and they should be.

I'd prefer they be rebels than the random conquest/growth of minor factions.

As for Milan -- they defeated the Holy Roman Empire.

[veverčák]

I'd prefer they be rebels than the random conquest/growth of minor factions.

As for Milan -- they defeated the Holy Roman Empire.

No, they sometimes formed up block of other Italian cities which sometimes fought against and sometimes in alliance with Emperors. Milan should not be even faction as according the CA the reason why you could not played as Bohemian kingdom is this: They were formally been part of the HRE = Rebels.In case of Milan? Part of the Empire = a faction!

[Aeratus]

And about Milan owning Europe -- Milan was one of the major powers at the time, thus I had no problem with it. The Ebdanians would normally be represented by "rebels" so it's ridiculous that they usually conquer most of Gaul.

Medieval 2 Total war starts in year 1080. The duchy of Milan wasn't even created until 1395. That's why Milan doesn't even exist as a faction in most M2TW mods, like SS.

[Totalheadache]

The Irish were involved in raiding Roman Britain and Sub-Roman Britain a great deal - as well as Gaul to some extent. That's who St.Patrick (original name Sucadh) ended up in Ireland. Also the war known as the Great Conspiracy (put down by Theodosius's father Count Theodosius) involved raiders from Ireland whom the Romans called the Scotii (at the time Scotia was one of the Roman names for Ireland along with Hibernia). The term Scottii eventually was transferred to modern Scotland after Gaelic speaking invaders led by Aidan invaded mainland Scotland.

I don't have an issue with the historicity of Irish raiders, but I am annoyed they use a Nordic unit roster.

Yeah I think though fullstacks appearing in Spain is a tad unrealistic and actually playing as WRE I just defended Mediolanum from the Ebdanians! Still I guess it spices the game up a bit.

It's a bit wierd though...

[C.Maximus]

The Irish were involved in raiding Roman Britain and Sub-Roman Britain a great deal - as well as Gaul to some extent. That's who St.Patrick (original name Sucadh) ended up in Ireland. Also the war known as the Great Conspiracy (put down by Theodosius's father Count Theodosius) involved raiders from Ireland whom the Romans called the Scotii (at the time Scotia was one of the Roman names for Ireland along with Hibernia). The term Scottii eventually was transferred to modern Scotland after Gaelic speaking invaders led by Aidan invaded mainland Scotland.

I don't have an issue with the historicity of Irish raiders, but I am annoyed they use a Nordic unit roster.

This... if you look at any map of invasions of GB during the time the Saxons, Irish, and Picts all invaded southern England... Historically even after the Saxons settled they were raided by Picts, welsh and Irish.... Maybe not take it over, hold it and become a kingdom like the Saxons did but perhaps it would have been possible if things went a bit differently...

[Viva Espana!]

This... if you look at any map of invasions of GB during the time the Saxons, Irish, and Picts all invaded southern England... Historically even after the Saxons settled they were raided by Picts, welsh and Irish.... Maybe not take it over, hold it and become a kingdom like the Saxons did but perhaps it would have been possible if things went a bit differently...

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fighting in England. We're complaining about Picts and Irish taking large parts of France and Spain

[PhilipO'Hayda]

I don't think anyone is complaining about the fighting in England. We're complaining about Picts and Irish taking large parts of France and Spain

Feradach the quick ruled as High king in Ireland in 405–428 and had marched a army as far as the alps,before being hit by lighting.(as the story goes) with the falling of Rome I think it is possible that this Irish story has a little backbone. So if Niall of the Nine Hostages and Feradach the quick hadn't been so unlucky maybe we could have. We were pushing in to Scotland and by DNA taken Iceland. So Ireland was land grabbing.

[KozaK101]

We were pushing in to Scotland and by DNA taken Iceland. So Ireland was land grabbing.

I'm afraid that the Irish DNA in Iceland is the result of slaves and women taken (not necessarily involuntarily, vikings had more sex appeal than the locals believe it or not, they cleaned up nice) by Scandinavian men.

[wulfgar610]

The Irish were involved in raiding Roman Britain and Sub-Roman Britain a great deal - as well as Gaul to some extent. That's who St.Patrick (original name Sucadh) ended up in Ireland. Also the war known as the Great Conspiracy (put down by Theodosius's father Count Theodosius) involved raiders from Ireland whom the Romans called the Scotii (at the time Scotia was one of the Roman names for Ireland along with Hibernia). The term Scottii eventually was transferred to modern Scotland after Gaelic speaking invaders led by Aidan invaded mainland Scotland.

I don't have an issue with the historicity of Irish raiders, but I am annoyed they use a Nordic unit roster.

People must be thinking of some later time. But yes it is quite true at the close of the Roman period, the Irish were feared aggressors, raiders and mercenaries. Don't worry, I'm sure CA will do an Irish culture pack! They must!

The Saxons are meant to be raiding England! But as it is, the Saxons generally just bum around in Frisia.

It was historically more than that too. 'Saxon' pirates were raiding as far south the Bay of Biscay as well.

[jtfjtfjtf]

I get a few different powers every time I play. This is my current map at 423

http://i.imgur.com/KsDOX8u.jpg

The ERE is strange. They never try to recover regions they lost. Even the two regions that were burned down next to Constantinople. The Huns did that very early on.

[Himster]

There should be a lot of infighting (rebellions etc.) there and maybe they should be scripted to not occupy other lands.

[Viva Espana!]

There should be a lot of infighting (rebellions etc.) there and maybe they should be scripted to not occupy other lands.

Totally agree. A script that makes certain factions only sack would be great. Represent viking/celtic raiders wonderfully.

[Damocles]

Same reason that Australia and New Guinea is the best start in Risk.

[Viva Espana!]

Same reason that Australia and New Guinea is the best start in Risk.

... Oh my god. I didn't think of this. So right.