BY the gods those sassanids

[iloveyourz]

playing ERE and wowowow the barb invasion is mild compared to the FULL SCALE sassanids INVASION ... even if i d up they ignore fort cities and go around sacking DEEP within my terrority..... if i fight on the field wayy to many loses because a 2nd stack is coming.

what in the world do you do as the ERE... if i cant handle this how can i handle the wre?

should i pay them off until i can build a force to reckon with?

also lolz watching wre lose a city each turn is funny i got off alliance with them because everyone declared war on them lolz

[Humble Warrior]

playing ERE and wowowow the barb invasion is mild compared to the FULL SCALE sassanids INVASION ... even if i d up they ignore fort cities and go around sacking DEEP within my terrority..... if i fight on the field wayy to many loses because a 2nd stack is coming.

what in the world do you do as the ERE... if i cant handle this how can i handle the wre?

should i pay them off until i can build a force to reckon with?

also lolz watching wre lose a city each turn is funny i got off alliance with them because everyone declared war on them lolz

Yes, those Sassanids are rough. Playing as ERE I was a bit worried about them since they have a long Eastern stretch that could threaten several of my cities. So i did a lot to keep peace with them while concentrating on the West. However, they just had to sooner or later declare war on me and attack-which they did. I was able to fend off a few attacks but then they got bigger, took one of my cities and Razed it, which really angered me. I`d gone to a lot of work building up that city and protecting my people- Now gone. then they took and razed ANOTHER city!

As to your question, if you can make peace, make peace until you`re stronger, but I`m so angry at them now that I refuse to make peace and just want to wipe them out in a Total War. But it`s hard going and I`m no where near winning yet. I`m trying to make peace with everyone else just to focus on these gits.

[Fanest]

I defeated 16 stacks that they and their allies send in course of 7 turns all that with a stack and a half big early game ERE army (+1 spy) - mind that this is legendary dif.. Now i pushed far passed Ctesiphon and Sassanids are left with 3 regions but still they can build full stack in 2 turns so i have to be quick to finish them

[Humble Warrior]

Another thing that bugs me, at least in my game, is why do the Sassanids need to raze everything? they are not the crazy horde out for a quick buck. A nation State like that should want to GAIN GROUND not wipe it out like idiots, losing the extra cash they would get from it, especially when it`s been built up. Doesn`t make sense to me. Nation states should want to 90% of the time OCCUPY, not RAZE. Unless maybe in revenge for the enemy razing one of their cities, which I have never done.

[craziii]

I defeated 16 stacks that they and their allies send in course of 7 turns all that with a stack and a half big early game ERE army (+1 spy) - mind that this is legendary dif.. Now i pushed far passed Ctesiphon and Sassanids are left with 3 regions but still they can build full stack in 2 turns so i have to be quick to finish them

sounds like anyone who played spqr mod for rome 1 would be easily handling this

[iloveyourz]

yep i had to restart,they mass near my center walk past my fort cities and sack city deep near old greece... if i try hold in a city i take tooo many loses and 3 more stacks come up..

them alone i might be able to handle it

ITS THEIR VASSALS that come out of no where with 3 stacks in my south and north

while my vassals just get rolled over without a fight o.O


its pretty retarded how their vassals rivals their armies lIKE IF YOU'RE SO STRONG WHY ARE YOU THEIR ?

[Keyser]

I am not sure why the AI often raze more than it occupy, however they do conquer too in my games albeit not as often as one might want.

And from what i can tell having played the sassanid, there isn't much point in conquering roman territories, excepted to get a sea access to the mediterannean for trade or to fulfill the victory conditions.

Converting settlements is a long and costly process and each settlement conquered add to the corruption level within your empire, relying on your rich inner core and your vassals and simply diminishing your ennemies ressources by denying them to him can be a successfull strategy.

You should only conquer slowly because of the time needed to assimilate those new regions.

[iloveyourz]

ya i just need some early game tips x.x bout to just abandon anything east that isnt naturally protected

[glassmoustache]

ya i just need some early game tips x.x bout to just abandon anything east that isnt naturally protected

Pay them off for a few turns until you can remove all the goth armies.

Keep 1 stack in Thracia, 1 stack in africa and send 3 towards the sassanids (1 north towards their satropies)
Your armies dont need to be full stacks - the key is to stay near towns to the garrison can join in too

Get ready to do a LOT of garrison only defences though

[Slaists]

Another thing that bugs me, at least in my game, is why do the Sassanids need to raze everything? they are not the crazy horde out for a quick buck. A nation State like that should want to GAIN GROUND not wipe it out like idiots, losing the extra cash they would get from it, especially when it`s been built up. Doesn`t make sense to me. Nation states should want to 90% of the time OCCUPY, not RAZE. Unless maybe in revenge for the enemy razing one of their cities, which I have never done.

This is pretty much what happened historically too though. In the 6th century, Sassanids and Byzantines razed and plundered each other to such an extent that both (especially Sassanids) could be steam-rolled by Arabs. Huge areas were wiped out and depopulated.

[Aeratus]

This is pretty much what happened historically too though. In the 6th century, Sassanids and Byzantines razed and plundered each other to such an extent that both (especially Sassanids) could be steam-rolled by Arabs. Huge areas were wiped out and depopulated.

I don't think Sassanid and Romans razed each others' cities to the ground. They sure did plunder them, though. For example, the destruction done by the Sassanid conquest (and Roman reconquest) of Jersualem was meager compared to the 70 AD siege by the Romans which wiped the city entirely, and the later siege by the Khwarezmians.

[Slaists]

I don't think Sassanid and Romans razed each others' cities to the ground. They sure did plunder them, though. For example, the destruction done by the Sassanid conquest (and Roman reconquest) of Jersualem was meager compared to the 70 AD siege by the Romans which wiped the city entirely, and the later siege by the Khwarezmians.

You're right that probably neither of them purposely razed regions to the ground.

I forgot the title of the late antiquity study collection I had in mind (read it many years ago), but it spoke of depopulation of vast areas in the Middle East resulting form extended warfare (and plagues that tended to follow) between Sassanids and Byzantines. So, not razing outright, but it sounds like the end result was not that dissimilar.

[NostalgiaFan]

This is pretty much what happened historically too though. In the 6th century, Sassanids and Byzantines razed and plundered each other to such an extent that both (especially Sassanids) could be steam-rolled by Arabs. Huge areas were wiped out and depopulated.

No, no they didn't. You are completely misinterpreting them being weak as them just burning and destroying their cities to the extent of Attila, when the real reason they lost so much was because their economy was devastated and their armies were weakened to the point that a horde of Arabs could come in and take what they want. It was also because the people themselves were tired of all the fighting and let the Arabs take over. And besides, this is not the 6th century, so their is no reason for the Sassanids to act like this.

Just where the hell do you even get that Idea that razing was common? Do you have any examples to show?

[Huberto]

This is pretty much what happened historically too though. In the 6th century, Sassanids and Byzantines razed and plundered each other to such an extent that both (especially Sassanids) could be steam-rolled by Arabs. Huge areas were wiped out and depopulated.

Wrong century, if true.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Playing as the Alans and decided I would try and subjugate my way through the Caucasus and settle on the shores of the Arabian sea. Little did I know I would be fighting 3 full stack Sassanid armies per turn plus a full stack from pretty much ALL of their puppet states. Thank god their early units are useless against Sarmatian Warband and Germanic Cavalry Warband or else my campaign would already be over. I don't have any time to build up my horde buildings or replenish troops. The only thing improving my armies right now are mercenaries and research upgrades. The attack is relentless. Plus they get my subjugated factions to turn on me all the time since they have good relations with EVERYONE in the east.

[craziii]

Playing as the Alans and decided I would try and subjugate my way through the Caucasus and settle on the shores of the Arabian sea. Little did I know I would be fighting 3 full stack Sassanid armies per turn plus a full stack from pretty much ALL of their puppet states. Thank god their early units are useless against Sarmatian Warband and Germanic Cavalry Warband or else my campaign would already be over. I don't have any time to build up my horde buildings or replenish troops. The only thing improving my armies right now are mercenaries and research upgrades. The attack is relentless. Plus they get my subjugated factions to turn on me all the time since they have good relations with EVERYONE in the east.

hmmm, in my huns campaign I been mainly raiding/razing europa, maybe I should turn towards the middle east, it is where the action is at.

how is the sassanid faction able to afford the constant recruitment of units/armies? even with my constant raiding n razng I barely have enough. If the AI money bonus is so much that it is able to recruit constantly, CA went way over board with the buff.

[iloveyourz]

hmmm, in my huns campaign I been mainly raiding/razing europa, maybe I should turn towards the middle east, it is where the action is at.

how is the sassanid faction able to afford the constant recruitment of units/armies? even with my constant raiding n razng I barely have enough. If the AI money bonus is so much that it is able to recruit constantly, CA went way over board with the buff.

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well early game spear troops and sword arent that much i think like 300? and the ai army is filled with them until they start geting their higher tier troops and the sassanids arent exactly poor

[Thlito]

how is the sassanid faction able to afford the constant recruitment of units/armies? even with my constant raiding n razng I barely have enough. If the AI money bonus is so much that it is able to recruit constantly, CA went way over board with the buff.

When I was playing the Sassinads I was making 40-50k a turn (around turn 60) with 5 or so full stacked armies and 800k stored up so its not that the AI got a crazy money buff, it was just the Sassinads being OP.

[Frost, colonel]

hmmm, in my huns campaign I been mainly raiding/razing europa, maybe I should turn towards the middle east, it is where the action is at.

how is the sassanid faction able to afford the constant recruitment of units/armies? even with my constant raiding n razng I barely have enough. If the AI money bonus is so much that it is able to recruit constantly, CA went way over board with the buff.

I don't see why the AI can't afford it, the Sassanids are very rich and in my game have not been fighting. Playing as the ERE I have 500,000 in the bank, at least ten excellent armies and several small navies, making something like 38,000 profit per turn.
This is despite paying the Sassanids a lot of money over the years until my present strength where I said 'up yours' and no longer pay them, just waiting for them to declare war.

[Seyavash]

Try pulling your forces away from the borders. In my 3 campaigns the sassanids only attack if u have stacks near their provinces or outside one of your own settlements. Unless there is an easy temptation nearby the are content to park in a bunch and let their puppets play offense. My counter has been to fortify edessa with a half stack. Use one or two decoy armies near edessa or via the Caucasus to keep them occupied. Then I carefully sneak another army or two via the south to the Persian Gulf to sack and raze as many provinces as possible. It's costly as u need multiple armies to pull it off but sacking before razing should help a bit. It's a war of attrition.