Huns are broken?

[Cors]

Hey and welcome.
Im following this forum since early beginning - and finally decide to log in.

So I don't know what is your experience or maybe its my fault but I have following problem. Playing Huns in mid game I fund myself hunted but entire world. Nobody is fighting with each other they all want to destroy me. I have no idea what did I do to them but im not a person who start a wars without a reason. I tried to play as stalker being smart. But seems it didn't work.

Below is explanation what happens :

PINK line : That were I started. Went to raze and sack ERE and WRE finished with razed Rome. Till this moment everything was ok but during a siege I had a fight with other horde who will take Rome. They came first and I had to attack them to get in So after it I decided to continue and moving West. And then it started.
YELLOW line : Some Of already settle hordes start declaring war on me in some reason. Thats ok. I had few amazing fight ( playing horses only ). They send against me 7 stacks and I had 3. Managed to pick few fight 3 vs 2 or so and all won. Still like 3 left and I had to replenish. Even ERE send 2 stacks of forces despite he has ward with whole world already but no, he send forces against me

BLUE line : Then keep chasing me - again managed to win 2 fight but loses where high. I was supersede, they track me halv a world already
BLACK line : Decided to move as fast as can to some edge of map. No way. They are all on force march, hunting me there.


Also I have to say that , there is not literally singe war in Central and Eastern Europe. They all loves each other and only target is me. They don't care about ERE and WRE ( AD 416 - WRE is satrapy of ERE and still owning around 50 !!! regions. They are most powerful as well.

Vikings got few Settlements and happy sitting there while all armies of their neighbors are in SCYTHIA !

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PS. im playing on Very Hard with Nomad raze option only.
PPS. Every hates me as well. I can not marry and Attila just came to age and cant get a wife even... Amazing job and so fun to play CA. Thanks

Waiting for you huns experience.


Cheers !

[SirGerakul]

Dont play on Very Hard nor Hard, it's not playable, AI can 1-2 full-stacks with only one settlement. Plus diplomatic at this difficulty is useless, and of course all the other cheat/bonus AI gets.

[Cors]

Dont play on Very Hard nor Hard, it's not playable, AI can 1-2 full-stacks with only one settlement. Plus diplomatic at this difficulty is useless, and of course all the other cheat/bonus AI gets.

There is not main issue. The main issue is why AI chase that long ? I never seen it in any TW series...
I can handle battles - huns are amazing to fight but the problems is whole world is against huns in some damn reason !

[gord96]

The problem is your ideals of 'not starting wars for no reason'. This is not the Hun way. You show weakness. You must crush and destroy every army and settlement you come across. Friend or foe. No mercy. This is the Hun way. Then the world will respect you and send you gold and offers of alliance. Take their gold. Take their alliances. Then go crush them too.

[Cors]

The problem is your ideals of 'not starting wars for no reason'. This is not the Hun way. You show weakness. You must crush and destroy every army and settlement you come across. Friend or foe. No mercy. This is the Hun way. Then the world will respect you and send you gold and offers of alliance. Take their gold. Take their alliances. Then go crush them too.

But I castrated my not loyal general. Twice !


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Actually the worse opinion I had the less political action succeed... But I will try ur idea

[C.Maximus]

The problem is your ideals of 'not starting wars for no reason'. This is not the Hun way. You show weakness. You must crush and destroy every army and settlement you come across. Friend or foe. No mercy. This is the Hun way. Then the world will respect you and send you gold and offers of alliance. Take their gold. Take their alliances. Then go crush them too.

Hehe.. I smirked when you said this... good post.... the thing tho.. This is what I did as the huns... I made clients out of everyone I could and destroyed the others. At one point I had 4 full stacks and about 5-6 clients...

Then turn 50 happened. I dont know why... But half my clients allied with my enemies forming a super alliance.. I had countless stacks invading me.. even chasing me like our OP here to the Caspian Sea... I was eventually destroyed by agents... Agents killed all my family and I had no members... everything was pretty screwed after that ... (Had an average of 10-20 agent actions against me per turn...)


This SAME thing happened to me with my Gothic campaign.... everyone just eventually declares war on you, forms a butt buddy relationship with each other... then hunt you down like the dog you are....

Finally have a decent one going as the Saxons (favorite faction.. was waiting to start them) but I just took over the entirety of England (that was rough) and now all the vikings, the Franks, the longbeards, the Alans.. and angels have declared war and are sending non stop stacks across that stupid STUPID land bridge near London...

[Cors]

Hehe.. I smirked when you said this... good post.... the thing tho.. This is what I did as the huns... I made clients out of everyone I could and destroyed the others. At one point I had 4 full stacks and about 5-6 clients...

Then turn 50 happened. I dont know why... But half my clients allied with my enemies forming a super alliance.. I had countless stacks invading me.. even chasing me like our OP here to the Caspian Sea... I was eventually destroyed by agents... Agents killed all my family and I had no members... everything was pretty screwed after that ... (Had an average of 10-20 agent actions against me per turn...)


This SAME thing happened to me with my Gothic campaign.... everyone just eventually declares war on you, forms a butt buddy relationship with each other... then hunt you down like the dog you are....

Finally have a decent one going as the Saxons (favorite faction.. was waiting to start them) but I just took over the entirety of England (that was rough) and now all the vikings, the Franks, the longbeards, the Alans.. and angels have declared war and are sending non stop stacks across that stupid STUPID land bridge near London...

Exactly this.
I started a new campaign . For now I moved to ERE go few cities and had to go back already to pacify my client state. He had 2 provinces setled by him after my razing rampage I taking about Gepids. They had one province and paying me around 500 per turn. I wonder how the hell they managed to settle 4 cities within 20 rounds or even lower...?
But what ever in 20 round they became nr 7 in strength power. Of course they declared war on me but this time I decided to create Nomads alliance. So were 3 this time and within 3 - 4 rounds we razed whole his empire to g round and he.... became a horde. Last time I saw them on boats.

In meantime I found it on TW offical forum. It has status IN PROGRESS so it was passed to DEV's

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...-Obsessed-AI.?


I think I know what is the problem. There is a Imperium Level Bar. Once it reaches a certain point AI gets mad. For example if you are not losing hordes and I do not lost single one, coz Im keeping them in save distance or winning defensive battles, it go immediately up.
At this moment I'm around mid of it and already have - 100 penalty with nearly everyone despite Leaders with" Likes Empires" trait or similar. Im playing very aggressive this time and destroying anyone who declares war on me. At least trying but I did minor victory sacking and razing objects in 401 AD. Also this time map is much more active and more wars are happening. Im also observing my diplomatic status every round and nearly managed to forge defensive alliance with Ponuts Asia and some minor horde. Also once asked few hordes gave me a tributary gifts, from 300 - 1000 coints.

So generally its going well but also last time were good. I thinking to get few priests and destroy every alliance around me by changing religions... No idea if its going to work buy who knows?
Maybe its hard coded in some point you just must survive that hunt?

prithupaul

Yes, play on very hard, then complain about the game being too hard. Smart move!

[gord96]

Hehe.. I smirked when you said this... good post.... the thing tho.. This is what I did as the huns... I made clients out of everyone I could and destroyed the others. At one point I had 4 full stacks and about 5-6 clients...

Then turn 50 happened. I dont know why... But half my clients allied with my enemies forming a super alliance.. I had countless stacks invading me.. even chasing me like our OP here to the Caspian Sea... I was eventually destroyed by agents... Agents killed all my family and I had no members... everything was pretty screwed after that ... (Had an average of 10-20 agent actions against me per turn...)


This SAME thing happened to me with my Gothic campaign.... everyone just eventually declares war on you, forms a butt buddy relationship with each other... then hunt you down like the dog you are....

Finally have a decent one going as the Saxons (favorite faction.. was waiting to start them) but I just took over the entirety of England (that was rough) and now all the vikings, the Franks, the longbeards, the Alans.. and angels have declared war and are sending non stop stacks across that stupid STUPID land bridge near London...

Hehe. That's why I don't subjugate either. Sack, raze, repeat in my opinion. I honestly leave nothing in my wake to ever rise up again.

[Bunit11687]

Hehe.. I smirked when you said this... good post.... the thing tho.. This is what I did as the huns... I made clients out of everyone I could and destroyed the others. At one point I had 4 full stacks and about 5-6 clients...

This is pretty much where I am at now with my Hun playthrough. Im at year 419, Attila was born but is stuck at being a statesman, and Im not really sure what to do. Im sitting right to the east of Italy, and have subjugated 5-6 factions that are to the east, and razed/destroyed everyone who couldnt be subjugated.

A number of AI factions also jumped out of their own settlements and started their own hordes. It's like the world fell apart and every faction now has only few settlements left, or are now a horde just sitting around not doing anything. I have 4 full stacks and it's getting a bit boring now. My strategy has been encamp all 4 stacks on my next target city, bringing down the enemies unit numbers over a few turns, and then having all 4 stacks attack the settlement at once.

At this point, it doesnt really seem like there's much else to do. Kinda got boring rather fast, atleast with this campagin.

[Yerevan]

This is pretty much where I am at now with my Hun playthrough. Im at year 419, Attila was born but is stuck at being a statesman, and Im not really sure what to do. Im sitting right to the east of Italy, and have subjugated 5-6 factions that are to the east, and razed/destroyed everyone who couldnt be subjugated.

A number of AI factions also jumped out of their own settlements and started their own hordes. It's like the world fell apart and every faction now has only few settlements left, or are now a horde just sitting around not doing anything. I have 4 full stacks and it's getting a bit boring now. My strategy has been encamp all 4 stacks on my next target city, bringing down the enemies unit numbers over a few turns, and then having all 4 stacks attack the settlement at once.

At this point, it doesnt really seem like there's much else to do. Kinda got boring rather fast, atleast with this campagin.

Just wait for the subjugated kingdoms to turn their back on you. It will happen , as ssoon as one or two more factions (that you never met and on the other side of the map) declare war on you, and as soon as you will be abit further from them, enough not to be able for immediate retaliation, your subjugated kingdoms will betray you. That's just how the Huns campaign is scripted, everybody will turn against you, in the end. And I start to wonder if its not the same for every playable faction in the game. No matter wht you do on the diplomatic screen, as long as time pass, everybody turns gainst you. This is as boring as the opposite experience where everybody likes you lol

[MKeogh]

I could be mistaken, but my impression is that I don't think CA initially intended for the Huns to be a playable faction.

I think the original design concept was to have the Huns as an AI controlled, stack-spawning, "hack-and-burn" faction that was intended to ramp-up the late-game difficulty level for the other playable factions. It appears the Huns were only made playable for the campaign late in development due to CA realizing that not making them playable would have resulted in the fan-base screaming, "Bloody Murder!" And after the public relations fiasco that was Rome2's release, CA couldn't afford to have another PR catastrophe on their hands as would have been the case for releasing a game called "Attila" without his faction being playable in the campaign. However, it appears making the Huns playable was a rush-job which has resulted in their not being particularly suited for the single-player campaign. Of course, I could be dead wrong, but those are my impressions.

[Scythion]

You are wrong, playing as any horde faction, for some reason the Ai try to kill player. For example I tried the Ostrogoths and the huns try to kill me at any cost, completely avoiding their other enemies in the area. Another example is, western romans get ravaged by most of the horde factions, but they only attack my armies while the other hordes are much deeper in their territory and I'm just on the borders.

[prithupaul]

Yes, play on very hard, then complain about the game being too hard. Smart move!

[Renown]

I wonder if Horde functions just like migrating does with AI? If so, I played as the Jutes, went amigrating.... and traveled via sea to North Africa. I now am the most powerful faction with 1 client (some tribe in the NE of the map lol), 3 military allies and 2 defensive allies. I have all of Mid-South Spain, and Africa to Egypt. Anyone who declares war on me gets two of my stacks plus two fleets right to their capital. I Leave one-two stacks in defensive positions in frontier cities. I learned a LONG, LONG time ago that city battles are by far the easiest to win. All you need is to bottle up the troops and flank them. I've had one stack in my most northern spanish city defeat 5 stacks in one battle.

I've been careful to not lower my diplomatic status, I rarely declare war (and when I do, I make sure I have 2-3 stacks already by their cities).

I am using Radious' mod though on VH. Maybe the added income prevents factions from declaring war on me when they have no reason. Or my individual strength keeps them from attacking. It makes sense to me that a nomadic faction would be at war with the world. They essentially were... but the armies being sent from all around doesn't sound fun or make sense. They should still be attacking others. This just sounds like a CAI weakness. I bet it'll be improved.

I also bribe factions until they get to a peaceful state, and then I ally them. All my other viking factions are my allies. I make sure to keep attacking any WRE or ERE armies, because that makes others like me. (WRE is now reborn in Corsica lol). The Sassanids are actually my biggest threat, with what looks like 20-30 total enemy client stacks eating the ERE alive. Soon they will be at my frontier too.

[Cors]

I wonder if Horde functions just like migrating does with AI? If so, I played as the Jutes, went amigrating.... and traveled via sea to North Africa. I now am the most powerful faction with 1 client (some tribe in the NE of the map lol), 3 military allies and 2 defensive allies. I have all of Mid-South Spain, and Africa to Egypt. Anyone who declares war on me gets two of my stacks plus two fleets right to their capital. I Leave one-two stacks in defensive positions in frontier cities. I learned a LONG, LONG time ago that city battles are by far the easiest to win. All you need is to bottle up the troops and flank them. I've had one stack in my most northern spanish city defeat 5 stacks in one battle.

I've been careful to not lower my diplomatic status, I rarely declare war (and when I do, I make sure I have 2-3 stacks already by their cities).

I am using Radious' mod though on VH. Maybe the added income prevents factions from declaring war on me when they have no reason. Or my individual strength keeps them from attacking. It makes sense to me that a nomadic faction would be at war with the world. They essentially were... but the armies being sent from all around doesn't sound fun or make sense. They should still be attacking others. This just sounds like a CAI weakness. I bet it'll be improved.

I also bribe factions until they get to a peaceful state, and then I ally them. All my other viking factions are my allies. I make sure to keep attacking any WRE or ERE armies, because that makes others like me. (WRE is now reborn in Corsica lol). The Sassanids are actually my biggest threat, with what looks like 20-30 total enemy client stacks eating the ERE alive. Soon they will be at my frontier too.

Its absolutely amazing strategy but we are currently taking about huns. Huns does not settle and you cant botle them and flank. And I don't play on radius mod. Just nomad razing option only

[GideonAI]

I think that Imperium should go up a lot slower than it does now. I've had the -100 relationship since turn 35 as a Horde.

[craziii]

lower the game difficulty to medium/normal first. learn to play the huns. it is what I did after I failed on very hard. Your job as the huns is not to build but to pillage and burn. contrary to what you might believe, but a full cavalry army is stupid given how weak horse archers are in attila. Huns actually got very good foot infantry, use them. your infantry just needs to hold while your cavalry wrecks havoc on their flanks or snipes their general.

in the begining, you are super weak, you need to balance between pillaging for money and developing your tech and moving hordes. remember, having 2 horde army stacks in the same province incurs huge income penalties. that is the huge, huge wrench in the gears CA put in the game to impede the progress of the horde style factions. imo, it actually makes them seem super weak instead of scary. it is no longer a horde coming at you but single army stacks or very rarely 2. this is a huge nerf for the horde factions. and a direct buff to the sedimentary factions.

Huns is a brand new style of gameplay introduce in attila, take your time to learn it.

ps: reason everyone hates your guts is because of your faction racials bonuses. just by being in their territories, they will start hating you more each turn

[Cors]

lower the game difficulty to medium/normal first. learn to play the huns. it is what I did after I failed on very hard. Your job as the huns is not to build but to pillage and burn. contrary to what you might believe, but a full cavalry army is stupid given how weak horse archers are in attila. Huns actually got very good foot infantry, use them. your infantry just needs to hold while your cavalry wrecks havoc on their flanks or snipes their general.

in the begining, you are super weak, you need to balance between pillaging for money and developing your tech and moving hordes. remember, having 2 horde army stacks in the same province incurs huge income penalties. that is the huge, huge wrench in the gears CA put in the game to impede the progress of the horde style factions. imo, it actually makes them seem super weak instead of scary. it is no longer a horde coming at you but single army stacks or very rarely 2. this is a huge nerf for the horde factions. and a direct buff to the sedimentary factions.

Huns is a brand new style of gameplay introduce in attila, take your time to learn it.

ps: reason everyone hates your guts is because of your faction racials bonuses. just by being in their territories, they will start hating you more each turn

Ok maybe Im not clear.

This threat is not about HUNS are hard to play. Or I struggle and have no money or Im loosing battles. Im using only horses because Its my choice of game play and I love to win battles this way even if it takes 30 minutes.

This threat is in some point of game whole world declares war on you and you can do about it. Even not is a problem - why they chase me whole world just to destroy while other factions just idle for years?


When Hus got bitten in my country we did not chase them to bloody Mongolia !

[prithupaul]

"yes, play on very hard, then complain about the game being too hard. Smart move!"


Ok maybe Im not clear.
This threat is in some point of game whole world declares war on you and you can do about it. Even not is a problem - why they chase me whole world just to destroy while other factions just idle for years?

That is CA's idea of difficulty. This is happening due extreme diplomatic penalty applicable only against your faction. All AI factions hate your more than everyone else. Its a direct result of your choice of difficulty (on top of all the other default artificial difficulty mechanisms in Attila). Slap your head all you want but it is by your choice.

[hainkostok]

of course they will attack you for no reason. you are sacking, razing every city you encounter, betray your allies frequently, useless as trade partner, you are an alien threat against world. no matter how much they hate each other, all world would unite against you until you are dead.