Netanyahu's lies about Iran exposed by the Mossad!!!

[Mary The Quene]

Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad

Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.

It is part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world’s major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.

Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...P=share_btn_tw

Ladies and gentlemen, this war criminal named Benjamin ''Bibi'' Netanyahu has been exposed by his own Mossad by exposing lies and massive desinformation, even in front of the whole world in the UN!

Not only is this thug a war criminal and continues to destabilize Syria but now has himself exposed to be a complete liar now!!

Hopefully the Israeli's will get rid of that man soon in the coming elections,.

[mongrel]

Steady on chap.

But yes it does seem that Bib tried to pull a Tony Blair and get support for military action which was unjustified by intelligence reports. It could be that the US already knew and that is why Obama to Bibi to feck off. If the wrong man was POTUS (Americans I will leave the question of Obama's competence open) , well I don't need to describe the consequences.

[Gaidin]

Steady on chap.

But yes it does seem that Bib tried to pull a Tony Blair and get support for military action which was unjustified by intelligence reports. It could be that the US already knew and that is why Obama to Bibi to feck off. If the wrong man was POTUS (Americans I will leave the question of Obama's competence open) , well I don't need to describe the consequences.

America's relationship and her actions regarding Israel aren't about intelligence. It's about politics. What happens after all this BS comes down to not what's really happening but A) what's really bearing down on Israel, B) what the American Jewish Community(a fairly powerful political arm) decides it wants, and C) what the Right can convince the RIGHT is happening.

After tripping over himself so many times in the past four weeks, Bibi can literally off in all parties but the far right in America. I mean seriously, the fecking Vice President isn't even showing, and usually at least that can be counted on to happen.

There's actually no contradiction. The document, and many others, clearly state Iran wishes to become a nuclear threshold country--as in, developing the capacity to produce a bomb in short order, rather then actively trying to build a weapon right this very instant (because the political situation currently doesn't favor a working bomb).
Under the current deal being made with the US, Iran could decide at pretty much any point in the future to finalize the bomb building and have a working weapon in less then a year. Obama is apparently fine with that, Netanyahu is not; that's what the disagreement is about.

Netanyahu has many faults, but his concerns about Iran's nuclear program is not one of them. Granted he's handling the situation very poorly, but the underlying concern about the issue is legitimate.

It's a 2012 document. And it's 2015. You know this. Right? .... Right??

Netanyahu has many faults, but we know one of your faults is keeping up with the timeline...

[sumskilz]

There is literally no news here. The Israeli media has reported on the difference of opinion between Netanyahu and Mossad for awhile now.

But if you want some analysis from someone who knows the situation well, Yossi Melman worked for 27 years as a senior correspondent on intelligence and strategic issues at Haaretz:

After promising to release a bombshell of leaked secret Mossad cables, Al Jazeera’s publication of documents late Monday fell short of that mark.

As expected, Al Jazeera did not obtain an original and authentic document from the Mossad, Israel’s foreign espionage agency.

What they published was a South Africa State Security Agency (SSA) document that is based on a briefing given to them by the Mossad. The document from 2013 contains no secrets and any reader, or follower of public reports on Iran’s nuclear program, especially the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is familiar with the facts written in that document.

The Mossad provided details in its briefing, such as the quantities of Iran’s enriched uranium at its two levels – 3.5 percent and 20% – about the development of Iran’s nuclear reactor at Arak, and its statement that Iran is “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons.”

That assessment was correct – it isn’t possible to utilize fissile material for a bomb only with 20% enriched uranium – an enrichment of 93% is required – and Iran did not have it at the time of the document’s writing, and doesn’t have it now.

Certainly it doesn’t present any evidence of a wedge between the Mossad and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu with regard to Iran’s nuclear program.

The Mossad has liaison relations with many spy and security agencies. These contacts are run by its Cosmos (Tevel in Hebrew) department. Some of the meetings and exchanges are very intensive and intimate.

Both sides feel comfortable in each other’s company to share ideas and insights in a very candid and frank manner and even to share very sensitive information. In rare cases such meetings result in joint operations.

One case in point was the recent revelations that the CIA participated – though from the sidelines – in the assassination of Hezbollah military chief Imad Mughniyeh seven years ago in Damascus.

Another example came to light this week from one of Edward Snowden’s documents, exposing a trilateral coordination between the signals intelligence (SIGINT) and eavesdropping agencies of Britain (GCHQ), America (NSA) and Israel’s Unit 8200, to listen to Iranian leaders three years ago.

The Mossad-SSA relations are of a different nature. Thirty years ago in the heyday of the all-white Apartheid regime, the relations between Pretoria and Jerusalem were excellent. The two countries cooperated in the military and nuclear fields and Israeli security goods were sold to South Africa. The last significant Israeli contribution was in the mid 90s when the Mossad gave an armored car to then president Nelson Mandela, as a gesture of goodwill.

Since then relations have only deteriorated.

Today the intelligence ties are cordial and ordinary, but not close. They reflect the cold, if not bitter ties at the diplomatic level between the two countries.

It is somewhat surprising that representatives of the spy agencies are supposed to have met at all.

It is unlikely, therefore, that the Mossad either confided in the SSA or gave, during the encounters, dramatic and sensitive information or estimates about Iran’s nuclear program.

Not to mention that the Mossad representatives would dare neither to speak publicly against, nor contradict the statements and policy of the government.

We don’t need a South African document to know that there is a wedge between the views and estimates of the Israeli intelligence community and Netanyahu. They don’t differ about facts and details, but about the interpretations and ramifications. It is no secret that the Mossad and Military Intelligence (AMAN), both in the past and the present, don’t share the warnings expressed by the prime minister.

Meir Dagan, both as head of the Mossad and after the end of his tenure, said in numerous public statements that even with all its nastiness and hostility and secret nuclear plans, Iran wasn’t posing an existential threat to Israel. His successor Tamir Pardo said in a private meeting, which was leaked, that the main troubling issue for Israel – is the Palestinian problem. These were blatant contradictions of Netanyahu’s position.

Israeli intelligence estimates are that Iran is working to be a nuclear power – a few months away from the ability to assemble the bomb – but not capable of building it now.

More than anything, Iran wants the international community to lift the economic sanctions.

Israeli intelligence researchers know that Iran is already on the verge of becoming a nuclear threshold state. It has the know-how, technology and materials to construct the bomb in a matter of a few months or perhaps a year, if and when, the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei gives the order.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Al-...s-short-391976

[Mithridates II the Great]

I read the news this morning although I didn't believe the west and Israel in 1st place , leave alone their accusations that is for propaganda and brainwashing people against Iran .

[Roma_Victrix]

Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad



http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...P=share_btn_tw

Ladies and gentlemen, this war criminal named Benjamin ''Bibi'' Netanyahu has been exposed by his own Mossad by exposing lies and massive desinformation, even in front of the whole world in the UN!

Not only is this thug a war criminal and continues to destabilize Syria but now has himself exposed to be a complete liar now!!

Hopefully the Israeli's will get rid of that man soon in the coming elections,.

Well, whatever advances the Iranian nuclear scientists might have originally made, those were reversed or at the very least upset by the alleged Israeli (possibly US) computer virus, or rather a worm, known as STUXNET. In 2010 it was responsible for the sabotage of their centrifuges in their uranium enrichment program. It may be decades before the Iranians are able to enrich uranium enough to make it weapons-grade (i.e. uranium containing about 90% of the isotope U 235). Netanyahu is a neo-Conservative war hawk and Likud champion who simply hates the idea of giving up his wave of popularity, which would almost certainly diminish if Israelis didn't feel that their national security was so threatened by Palestinian Hamas, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iran, etc. The fact that the Obama White House is warming up to Iran at all with nuclear talks scares the pants off Netanyahu, enough so that he's willing to accept an invitation to speak at the US Congress by the opposition leader John Boehner, without President Obama's presence or even official invitation to visit! The whole purpose of the speech will be to persuade the US people and its Congress NEVER to negotiate with Iran, because they can't ever be trusted, he says. He basically takes the same stance with Hamas, because a two-state solution and peace deal with them would be an unfortunate thing for his conservative Likud party come time for the elections in Israel.

As for the Iranians being trustworthy, that probably sounds funny to them, given Mohamed Mossadegh's ouster and sordid history and reputation the CIA and by extension the US has in Iran. As for what I think about Iran, I believe all nations naturally have their own interests at heart and that ultimately the Iranians want the same sort of nuclear deterrent power against Saudi Arabia and its proxies that Pakistan currently enjoys against India. However, since the Iranians are presently incapable of enriching uranium to what would be considered dangerous levels, why not lift economic sanctions and make nice with them while we're facing similar enemies at the moment? That is, ISIS. It is complicated, though, by the fact we are arming the FSA in its fight not only against ISIS, but also against Assad. I don't think that will interfere too much in concluding the nuclear talks with Iran, though.

[sumskilz]

As for what I think about Iran, I believe all nations naturally have their own interests at heart and that ultimately the Iranians want the same sort of nuclear deterrent power against Saudi Arabia and its proxies that Pakistan currently enjoys against India.

Them having a nuclear deterrent would give them more freedom to support Shiite minorities in Sunni dominated countries similar to Putin's support of the Russian minority in Ukraine. Our Arab allies aren't any happier about the situation than Netanyahu is: Obama Parries Questions on Iran Deal From Arabs as Well as Israelis

However, since the Iranians are presently incapable of enriching uranium to what would be considered dangerous levels...

What makes you believe that?

[Caligula's_Horse]

There's actually no contradiction. The document, and many others, clearly state Iran wishes to become a nuclear threshold country--as in, developing the capacity to produce a bomb in short order, rather then actively trying to build a weapon right this very instant (because the political situation currently doesn't favor a working bomb).
Under the current deal being made with the US, Iran could decide at pretty much any point in the future to finalize the bomb building and have a working weapon in less then a year. Obama is apparently fine with that, Netanyahu is not; that's what the disagreement is about.

Netanyahu has many faults, but his concerns about Iran's nuclear program is not one of them. Granted he's handling the situation very poorly, but the underlying concern about the issue is legitimate.

[Venomousmonkey]

There's actually no contradiction. The document, and many others, clearly state Iran wishes to become a nuclear threshold country--as in, developing the capacity to produce a bomb in short order, rather then actively trying to build a weapon right this very instant (because the political situation currently doesn't favor a working bomb).
Under the current deal being made with the US, Iran could decide at pretty much any point in the future to finalize the bomb building and have a working weapon in less then a year. Obama is apparently fine with that, Netanyahu is not; that's what the disagreement is about.

Netanyahu has many faults, but his concerns about Iran's nuclear program is not one of them. Granted he's handling the situation very poorly, but the underlying concern about the issue is legitimate.

Exactly. What incentive is there for them not to build a nuclear weapon? Nuclear Weapons are the last thing this world needs more of.

[PointOfViewGun]

There's actually no contradiction. The document, and many others, clearly state Iran wishes to become a nuclear threshold country--as in, developing the capacity to produce a bomb in short order, rather then actively trying to build a weapon right this very instant (because the political situation currently doesn't favor a working bomb).
Under the current deal being made with the US, Iran could decide at pretty much any point in the future to finalize the bomb building and have a working weapon in less then a year. Obama is apparently fine with that, Netanyahu is not; that's what the disagreement is about.

Netanyahu has many faults, but his concerns about Iran's nuclear program is not one of them. Granted he's handling the situation very poorly, but the underlying concern about the issue is legitimate.

So, Netanyahu's claims that Iran was about a year from developing a nuclear warhead and that they're actively performing activities to develop such a warhead was still true? A lie is a lie. You should be able to call it one when it screams to you in your face.

[sumskilz]

So, Netanyahu's claims that Iran was about a year from developing a nuclear warhead and that they're actively performing activities to develop such a warhead was still true? A lie is a lie. You should be able to call it one when it screams to you in your face.

This is a transcript of what he said...

In the case of Iran’s nuclear plans to build a bomb, this bomb has to be filled with enough enriched uranium. And Iran has to go through three stages.

The first stage: they have to enrich enough of low enriched uranium.

The second stage: they have to enrich enough medium enriched uranium.

And the third stage and final stage: they have to enrich enough high enriched uranium for the first bomb.

Where’s Iran? Iran’s completed the first stage. It took them many years, but they completed it and they’re 70% of the way there.

Now they are well into the second stage. By next spring, at most by next summer at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage.

From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

What I told you now is not based on secret information. It’s not based on military intelligence. It’s based on public reports by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Anybody can read them. They’re online.

So if these are the facts, and they are, where should the red line be drawn?

The red line should be drawn right here.

Before Iran completes the second stage of nuclear enrichment necessary to make a bomb.

Before Iran gets to a point where it’s a few months away or a few weeks away from amassing enough enriched uranium to make a nuclear weapon.

Each day, that point is getting closer. That’s why I speak today with such a sense of urgency. And that’s why everyone should have a sense of urgency.

Some who claim that even if Iran completes the enrichment process, even if it crosses that red line that I just drew, our intelligence agencies will know when and where Iran will make the fuse, assemble the bomb, and prepare the warhead.

Look, no one appreciates our intelligence agencies more than the Prime Minister of Israel. All these leading intelligence agencies are superb, including ours. They’ve foiled many attacks. They’ve saved many lives.

But they are not foolproof.

For over two years, our intelligence agencies didn’t know that Iran was building a huge nuclear enrichment plant under a mountain.

Do we want to risk the security of the world on the assumption that we would find in time a small workshop in a country half the size of Europe?

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The relevant question is not when Iran will get the bomb. The relevant question is at what stage can we no longer stop Iran from getting the bomb.

The red line must be drawn on Iran’s nuclear enrichment program because these enrichment facilities are the only nuclear installations that we can definitely see and credibly target.

Which part is a lie?

[PointOfViewGun]

This is a transcript of what he said...

Which part is a lie?

The whole speech is designed give the sense of an incoming crisis. However, one simple statement highlights it all:

Each day, that point is getting closer.

Mossad's assessment is that Iran "is not performing activity necessary to produce weapons" which means that this impending day is not getting closer. The assessment also indicates that the amount of medium enriched uranium is constant.


This is the lie. Another lie:

By next spring, at most by next summer at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage. From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.

The speech was given in September, 2012, right? Next spring or next summer? March 2013 or June 2013. Few months or few weeks more? September, 2013, in worst case. Mossad's assessment is that the reactor that will be able to produce highly enriched uranium will not be in service till mid-2014.

[sumskilz]

The whole speech is designed give the sense of an incoming crisis.

True, but it's not a lie if he believes it.

Mossad's assessment is that Iran "is not performing activity necessary to produce weapons" which means that this impending day is not getting closer.

He didn't say they are producing weapons, but are getting closer to the point that they would be able to, which is accurate.

This is the lie. Another lie:

The speech was given in September, 2012, right? Next spring or next summer? March 2013 or June 2013. Few months or few weeks more? September, 2013, in worst case. Mossad's assessment is that the reactor that will be able to produce highly enriched uranium will not be in service till mid-2014.

It's actually not a lie to not be able to predict the future accurately, or to disagree with the assessments of the experts. It might be paranoid, or erring on the side of caution, or arrogant, but not a lie. He even specifically said his assessment was based on the IAEA reports and not on something from an intelligence report, and mentioned that Mossad's abilities are not foolproof.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

W8 W8 W8

Syria is building them too

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Caligula's_Horse]

W8 W8 W8

Syria is building them too

You're laughing now, but they did try at some point, back when Olmart was prime minister of Israel, not Netanyahu, and Syria was still a functional country.
Olmart just had the Syrian nuclear complex wiped off the map. No politicking, no demagogy or fear mongering, no UN and no speeches to the Sentate, just a couple of combat aircraft and the good sense to stay quiet about it afterwards.

I miss Olmart. Sure he was corrupt, but unlike Netanyahu, he actually got things done, and by and large maintained the status quo rather then actively making things worse.

[Roma_Victrix]

You're laughing now, but they did try at some point, back when Olmart was prime minister of Israel, not Netanyahu, and Syria was still a functional country.
Olmart just had the Syrian nuclear complex wiped off the map. No politicking, no demagogy or fear mongering, no UN and no speeches to the Sentate, just a couple of combat aircraft and the good sense to stay quiet about it afterwards.

I miss Olmart. Sure he was corrupt, but unlike Netanyahu, he actually got things done, and by and large maintained the status quo rather then actively making things worse.

Israel bombing Syria and Israel bombing Iran are two different things, though. And for that matter, if these new accords are accepted and not scuttled, there will be an international team of inspectors frequenting Iran to ensure that the uranium they do possess is practically neutered and far below weapons grade (90% or higher content of the isotope U235). Sure, the Iranians could violate the deal in the future if they felt like it, but that would mean they were also in the mood for resuming crippling sanctions. There really is no better time for a deal than this. If the Iranians, sometime down the road in the distant future, want to violate the agreements made in this accord, then by all means Israeli Air Force, bomb away. Or better yet, do the saboteur move like what was done with STUXNET (no lives lost there, no open hostilities or air campaigns). For now, however, Netanyahu is not only trying to have us throw away the only opportunity we're likely to have in decades (considering how discredited Rouhani and his ideas of outreach will become in Iranian domestic politics), but he's also simultaneously driving a partisan wedge in the US Congress over support for Israel. You're right: Netanyahu is no Olmart.

[Caligula's_Horse]

Israel bombing Syria and Israel bombing Iran are two different things, though. And for that matter, if these new accords are accepted and not scuttled, there will be an international team of inspectors frequenting Iran to ensure that the uranium they do possess is practically neutered and far below weapons grade (90% or higher content of the isotope U235). Sure, the Iranians could violate the deal in the future if they felt like it, but that would mean they were also in the mood for resuming crippling sanctions. There really is no better time for a deal than this. If the Iranians, sometime down the road in the distant future, want to violate the agreements made in this accord, then by all means Israeli Air Force, bomb away. Or better yet, do the saboteur move like what was done with STUXNET (no lives lost there, no open hostilities or air campaigns). For now, however, Netanyahu is not only trying to have us throw away the only opportunity we're likely to have in decades (considering how discredited Rouhani and his ideas of outreach will become in Iranian domestic politics), but he's also simultaneously driving a partisan wedge in the US Congress over support for Israel. You're right: Netanyahu is no Olmart.

Any deal that leaves them as a nuclear threshold power is no good.
The concern is that at some point down the line, they either kick out the inspectors, or worse still, find some way to fool/get around them, at which point they'll have a bomb within a year. That might not be long enough for the intelligence services to hear about it, and we can't bomb what we don't know about. That might be acceptable with a chemical threat, but its not with a nuclear one.

The problem is that Obama simply doesn't present a real military threat. Bush, for all his faults, could send over a fishing sloop and generals would quake in their boots; Obama could send over the entire 6th fleet and still be scoffed at, because everybody knows he doesn't have the stomach to start anything--even his limited air campaign against ISIS required he gather several other nations to a coalition and be spurred on with videos of beheaded Americans. Without a credible military threat, there's no way to impose demands on Iran, as the sanctions obviously aren't enough to force their hand. He's negotiating with the Iranians like they're his equals, rather then like a superpower to a regional one like he should be.
The most infuriating part though, is that if someone is going to get nuked for Obama's shortcomings, its probably not going to be one of the nations doing the negotiating, but rather Israel, Saudi Arabia or one of the other nations that don't have a say in the negotiations. All while we're still fighting Iran's proxies, mind you.

Not that Netanyahu has made things any better with his inept handing of things, to go back to the original topic. The man cares for keeping his seat above and beyond all else, including Israel's best interest, and from his political position, that means talk tough to hide the fact that he's spineless and that all recent his economic and foreign policies have been one big failure.

[sumskilz]

But I bet you already thought he was lying, like I said before, there is literally no news here.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Would you look at that, a politician that lies. I'm shocked.

[Enros]

Shouldn't Iran develop nuclear weapons? It would guarantee Iran's safety from American and Israeli aggression, which it has cause to fear. It would also give Iran a major say in Middle East affairs. It may be an oppressive authoritarian dictatorship, but I think the world will be a lot more peaceful if there is at least one power in the Middle East that can oppose and challenge American foreign policy when it becomes misguided and totalitarian.

Iran may support foreign terrorist groups but so do Israel and especially America. It may call for Israel's destruction but only in the same way North Korea calls for the destruction of South Korea and the USA.

Nuclear weapons aren't nice things and it's extremely regrettable than any country wants to develop them. But all of this rationalizing about why the West deserve to have nuclear weapons and "evil" countries like Iran don't is simply propaganda meant for useful idiots. If the USA or Israel wants to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons simply because it's in their interests and the strong do what they can while the weak suffer what they must, that's fine. I won't shed a tear about the poor nuclear bombs Iran couldn't develop. But if the Israeli propaganda brigade ever had an enema they'd become the world's tiniest humans.