noob to DeI and Rome 2

**Tate** · February 20, 2015, 09:45 AM

First of all, love the DeI mod. A well-made conversion mod always beats a vanilla Total War game. I've had Rome 2 a total of 2 weeks - bought it on the 75% off Steam sale last weekend for $15. Avoided it at launch since my fellow TW players said it was in a horrid, unfinished, and unplayable state. All seems right with the world now. Have some questions though as this game is....different from the older TW games I play. Keep in mind my confusion with this game comes from my Medieval 2 (SS) and Empire (Darthmod) mindset.

-Public order is killing me, even in cities I start out with. How do you get or use a governor? When I put a general/army in a city it pisses off the populace even more.

-DLC, is it necessary? I have a hard time paying CA for features that should have been included in the base game. Blood should be a checkbox in the Options, not a $3 addon. Will DeI one day make it to where I can see blood or play as Athens/Sparta/Corinth without having to fork over real cash? The stuff CA put behind a paywall for this game is ridiculous.

-This is minor, but is there an option to use English-translated names (i.e. Rome, Carthage, Macedon) for cities and factions in this mod? I don't speak Latin and don't immediately recognize by name a lot of the factions I encounter in this mod. Otherwise I dig the effort for authenticity.

Gotta keep playing and learn this game. It's very deep and enjoyable, but a lot has changed from the old days.

**Jivaro** · February 20, 2015, 10:18 AM

Greetings fellow noob!
For the public order try this official submod: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...isoning-Troops
My advice is to look in the DeI Manual http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...criptorium#R04 for understand better some of new mechanics.
ps: I only play vanilla Rome 2 just for a week before searching for mods

For the english names http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...stored-English.

**Augustusng** · February 20, 2015, 10:33 AM

-Governors are agents (dignitaries). You'll need to research the appropriate technology to recruit them, then deploy them in the province to increase public order and convert the population to your culture. You can also put a single general with no other units in a city - that will not decrease public order and you can level him up with governing traits (the Skilled Bureaucrat tree). There are also faction-wide bonuses for keeping your faction leader in your capital. Also keep in mind that a fleet docked in a city will reduce public order, even though it looks like it will not. It's just not reflected in the UI.

-DLC is only necessary if you want to play as those factions that require it. The blood DLC and unit packs are not required.

-And the English names submod is already linked. If you just want English faction names and not unit names as well, there's also my submod.

But no reason to use both submods. Just use Mavrik's if you want both.

**User29** · February 25, 2015, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Augustusng

-And the English names submod is already linked. If you just want English faction names and not unit names as well, there's also my submod.

But no reason to use both submods. Just use Mavrik's if you want both.

any chance you know of a submod that translates the units but not the factions?

**Augustusng** · February 25, 2015, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by User29

any chance you know of a submod that translates the units but not the factions?

You can use Mavrik's submod, but delete the faction and faction_group tables. The ones left should all be for units.

**User29** · February 25, 2015, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Augustusng

You can use Mavrik's submod, but delete the faction and faction_group tables. The ones left should all be for units.

genius, I would +rep you but the forum only has the little plus sign for my own name :p

**Hoplitus** · February 20, 2015, 10:38 AM

Hi Tate!

Puh, I don't know how to summarize all the differences compared to other, older TW games. Actually the basics of course stay the same despite a different timeframe. Most obvious difference is probably the province/ city system. In any province you have two to 4 cities and one of the is the capital with more building slots and walls on the BM. All boni/mali always apply to the whole province and it's always good to unite the province (under your banner of course

).

-PO management can be a little tricky in the beginning. Build buildings that give +PO like theaters or temples. To get Govs you need to research a certain tech (civil-tree/ philosophy) then hire them and deploy them in a given province. There is a little button on the lower left side of your screen to do so. But they need to rankup first to get the proper skills

-DLC are not necessary for DeI as the mod focuses on the Grand Campaign. DeI can't (and so never will) unlock anything that CA sells seperatly. Actually DeI even had to lock factions whhich were previously available for playing when CA released a new DLC

-There is a submod for english names (either on steam and it should also be here on the submods forum). But I would do that:

Otherwise I dig the effort for authenticity

Much more immersive!

Actually I think the Prologue explains all the new features pretty well. You might want to play that first (most likely you need to play the vanilla Prologue. I don't think DeI modded that one too. But I am not sure, never tested)
Otherwise start a campaign on normal/normal with one of the major factions (preferably Rome). Those should be the easiest and you'll have some time to check out everything.

As a general advice: always mouse over everything

there are plenty of tooltips and descriptions of various effects!

And check the forums here, especially the DeI manuals and the guides subforum.
I'll add you some links asap...

EDIT: Jivaro was faster and already gave you those links

**Tate** · February 20, 2015, 10:49 AM

Thanks for the replies, guys. Valuable help all around. Learning the nuances will take awhile, but it looks like I'll be playing this game and mod for years to come just like the others.

+ rep all around

**valky** · February 22, 2015, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Hoplitus

Otherwise start a campaign on normal/normal with one of the major factions (preferably Rome). Those should be the easiest and you'll have some time to check out everything.

IMO it is the opposite; Rome & Carthage are a bit harder to manage and it's much easier with any other faction, since they can give you up to 12 public order for having full support (besides other decent boni), while the two main factions only provide up to +5 PO and you have to maintain that ratio.
While I was new to DeI, I dabbled around in various factions too ^^ gave me quite some insight. (and thanks to various updates prior to 1.0 that bugged some things and so on)

Everything else was probably already answered.

edit: Oh, there are also 2 wonders, which give each +4 PO factionwide. One is in the Egypt starting region, and the other should be far in the east. Not sure if there are more...
Egypt was nice anyway, it's more or less easy to start with and have access to decent units.

**Butan** · February 20, 2015, 11:30 AM

PO problems are very harsh in DeI, gotta get used to them and simply do the best to increase Public Order gradually (patrol stance, temples, less slaves, governors & governor skills, reduced taxes, razing/occupying or just not conquering outlandish settlements). Big advice: do not garrison armies they reduce PO now.

At worst, you have to reserve a part (or all) of your military force to kill spawning rebels.

**GourmetGorilla** · February 23, 2015, 03:27 PM

It sure is fun to learn the ropes. I included a list of mods that I use alongside DEI in my bio, and I'll drop that here as well if you or anyone else may be interested. Nothing too drastic, just a compilation of quality stuff I found in the workshop over time with the exception of the stat pack from this sub-forum. Generally adds a bit of polish and detail, and smooths out some of the rougher edges in the gameplay department. All are DEI-compatible.

R2TW Mods in Use

Took me a while to finally learn to manage public order, but keep an eye on the provincial details tab. There's a lot going on there, from slavery to cultural influence that are so subtle in Vanilla that they're almost unnoticeable until you try an overhaul that emphasizes them, as this one does. Buildings, edicts, army stances, traits, what you do with captured enemies and their cities, etc. all play into your overall public order situation.

As far as DLC goes, I eventually purchased all of it, but not all at once. The exception to this is the blood-pack, which has a nominal price for PEGI-related reasons; well-worth three bucks. As for the rest, I picked it up bit by bit over time as I played the game, and the only ones I would have avoided in retrospect as a DEI-fan are Daughters of Mars and Beasts of War as those units were phased out in the development of a more historically-accurate DEI. Still, I think I got my money's-worth trying the units out in Vanilla and Multiplayer since those weren't too pricy.

Pick out the faction packs you want to try as you play, I think that they're well worth the price if you plan to play the game for years to come.

Wrath of Sparta is awaiting an overhaul, but it works just fine with the DEI-mechanics as it stands. Still a lot of fun, as is Hannibal at the Gates. Caesar in Gaul is the most fun I've ever had tactics-wise, but I've only played as Rome. I believe there is a top-level imperium bug that crashes the game if you are playing as a barbarian faction with DEI, in that campaign only. For all I know, it may have been resolved by this point in time.

Feel free to ask lots of questions, we're at your disposal! And good luck!

**sealquest** · February 24, 2015, 05:47 AM

I've had to make very good use of patrol stance and dignitaries/governors to manage public order.
Gives me something to do between conflicts other than clicking on end turn all the time.

**valky** · February 24, 2015, 09:10 AM

Also, since you won't usually need that amount of armies in any game; you can/could also station a single 'useless' general in a city/town, where your PO is low (preferable with a temple and not with a yellow town building, since it gives some negative traits otherwise). Their 'Capable Bureaucrat' chain adds some very decent public order, local tax, income boost and other bonus.

Using this in regions, where my military chains are and in specialized farming/industry regions, since they usually net in some high public order penalty otherwise.

(they level up while idling once in a town...so you don't have to do a thing, besides managing their skill points^^ and without an army attached they don't give a PO penalty as well)

**Tate** · February 24, 2015, 01:04 PM

My first game I started as Rome before I asked these questions might be a lost cause. Income is low because everyone hates me (low trade), can't afford new buildings, and can only support just enough of an army to defend Italy and quell rebellions. Arrived at this stalemate at around turn 50. Expansion is out of the question. Started a new game with the knowledge of governors and building mechanics in mind as Egypt and it's going much better. Plenty of income, a couple allies, and no revolts make for a much better experience. I'll start a new Rome game once I get all these nuances nailed down.

**Matosh** · February 24, 2015, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tate

My first game I started as Rome before I asked these questions might be a lost cause. Income is low because everyone hates me (low trade), can't afford new buildings, and can only support just enough of an army to defend Italy and quell rebellions. Arrived at this stalemate at around turn 50. Expansion is out of the question. Started a new game with the knowledge of governors and building mechanics in mind as Egypt and it's going much better. Plenty of income, a couple allies, and no revolts make for a much better experience. I'll start a new Rome game once I get all these nuances nailed down.

You can raise second army by having a dignitary/governor applied to your first army to reduce upkeep costs. When having a general with higher political rank (Military Tribune, Quaestor, Aedilis,etc...) and dignitary/governor with upkeep reduction costs upgrades, you can reach up to -20% upkeep reduction costs which makes army's expenditure cut to half or even more.

You can also reduce upkeep costs for the armies in the region by building Stationis Vigilum.