Download Better Aggresive CAI for Attila V 4.2 Official Release

[bydlo]

Sir bydlo, please take a breath , and check again, in order for this mod work correctly you need to put __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3_patch.pack, on your data folder. I already see you put __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3.pack now are you sure you not forget to put __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3_patch.pack also ?

The mod already worked, that right but are you sure you already put __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3_patch.pack to control the AI option ?



Notice there are 2 required pack :

• __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3_patch.pack
  
• __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3.pack

From your picture i can see you only put 1 pack :

• __ATTILA_Better_AI_V.3.3_Cai.pack
  

I hope its clarify everything Sir bydlo

OH GREAT! it's worked! Thanks for the fast reply i guess i was too anxious because even with your mod Sassanid campaign was a faceroll. And i was in a rush to try some more challenge.

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

OH GREAT! it's worked! Thanks for the fast reply i guess i was too anxious because even with your mod Sassanid campaign was a faceroll. And i was in a rush to try some more challenge.

Glad to hear it, enjoy the mod mate

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Hi Junaidi83 de Bodemloze, can you add sack back to for the other factions, it happened a lot in those days, especially the Nordic factions and the saxons where famous for sacking and it is the faction trait for several factions

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Hi Junaidi83 de Bodemloze, can you add sack back to for the other factions, it happened a lot in those days, especially the Nordic factions and the saxons where famous for sacking and it is the faction trait for several factions

Will do until Assembly Kit for Atilla released. You enabled sack, the AI will go bizzare behaviour, which will not improved situation. The ideal is enable sack for human but disable it for AI. Be patience mate, i am not C.A AI Dev guys, just normal modder with limited knowledge

Sorry for lack of this and lack of that

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Will do until Assembly Kit for Atilla released. You enabled sack, the AI will go bizzare behaviour, which will not improved situation. The ideal is enable sack for human but disable it for AI. Be patience mate, i am not C.A AI Dev guys, just normal modder with limited knowledge

Sorry for lack of this and lack of that

But many factions need to loot or sack a lot of settlements for victory but if they can noq only loot thay will have a big empire they will need to start mantaining what will happen if you enable sack?

edit: I really think all this sacking is not a waste of time, it is what happened, big empires didn't get born, they died and small factions managed to grab small bits of land for themselves (with the exception of the gothic factions, the franks, the vandals and the saxons)

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Sack = steal money but not occupy the land
Loot = Steal money and occupy the land

The difference, when the AI took land its priority will be change, for example he may want to expand his teritory into futher, creating large empire in the process. Also loot option is also rewarding for AI or Human.

If AI able to sack, he may change his priority focused to gain money, also there are lot of turn wasted, just for money glory, since AI cant attack settlement right after he sack it, he need to wait another turn before he attack again. Not mention sometimes AI banding together doing raid in sacked area, or raid solo, or sit idle for couple turn. Before he moving again. Now all the problem can be avoided if the AI simply occupied the city from the first time.

Better to prevent trouble then cure it, just please be patiance, till i find the work around solution Sir Generaal

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

If AI able to sack, he may change his priority focused to gain money, also there are lot of turn wasted, just for money glory, since AI cant attack settlement right after he sack it, he need to wait another turn before he attack again. Not mention sometimes AI banding together doing raid in sacked area, or raid solo, or sit idle for couple turn. Before he moving again. Now all the problem can be avoided if the AI simply occupied the city from the first time.

If you manage to make the AI behave like this then you sort have managed to make it behave like the peoples in those days. Can you make the AI choose to loot or occupy a province if it's part of its military objective?

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Scripting perhaps. The reason why i cant enable sack, is very simple, its because i cant see which table personality will be used for specific faction, i just only need to able to locate the table that will be used for Nomadic faction,like Hun and the rest. And i will reenabled again the sack and nuke option for all culture. The AI will not used it but Human can,which is win - win solution

Now since i clearly lack of playing Attila , can you guys help me doing simple seach . Actually how many faction that Nomadic culture in Attila game itself ?

Please post the answer, including the name if you can

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

There is only one true nomadic faction: the huns, the other "great migrators" are the ostro- and visigoths, alans and vandals

[Go0lden_Archer]

Scripting perhaps. The reason why i cant enable sack, is very simple, its because i cant see which table personality will be used for specific faction, i just only need to able to locate the table that will be used for Nomadic faction,like Hun and the rest. And i will reenabled again the sack and nuke option for all culture. The AI will not used it but Human can,which is win - win solution

Now since i clearly lack of playing Attila , can you guys help me doing simple seach . Actually how many faction that Nomadic culture in Attila game itself ?

Please post the answer, including the name if you can

Roxolanians, Budinians, Magyars, Sabirs. Those you can spot simply starting the campaign as Hunns. Can't say if there're others tho, didn't see 'em

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Better Aggresive CAI for Attila V 3.3 Neutral Edition added, updated Radious version too, check the main thread for more info

Roxolanians, Budinians, Magyars, Sabirs. Those you can spot simply starting the campaign as Hunns. Can't say if there're others tho, didn't see 'em

Thanks mate, i think its time i put your name into credit list, you already help much

[Zhokar]

Thanks for fixing the DL. I have another question: Does your mod touch Imperium at all? My favored mods for that are the RSG Imperium and diplomacy mod and Revised Diplomatic Effects by Augustusng. Both of those touch diplomacy. Important changes are that the RSG mod and Augustusng's mod both amplify the faction traits like 'hates rival empires', RSG makes it so that client states can't be forced through diplomacy but only conquest, Augustusng also makes Dominion and Control have an effect on diplomacy. Both reduce Imperium penalties.
Can I use these mods with your mod? Should I load BACAI last if I want to force your diplomacy but retain the mod's Imperium levels?

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Thanks for fixing the DL. I have another question: Does your mod touch Imperium at all? My favored mods for that are the RSG Imperium and diplomacy mod and Revised Diplomatic Effects by Augustusng. Both of those touch diplomacy. Important changes are that the RSG mod and Augustusng's mod both amplify the faction traits like 'hates rival empires', RSG makes it so that client states can't be forced through diplomacy but only conquest, Augustusng also makes Dominion and Control have an effect on diplomacy. Both reduce Imperium penalties.
Can I use these mods with your mod? Should I load BACAI last if I want to force your diplomacy but retain the mod's Imperium levels?

Hmm you may try load it above Better AI, while imperium may effect, diplomacy probably not, its not problem mod compability, but the design of better AI itself that prevent it for that happens, since Better AI have its custom independece Value, including diplomacy, which are not using vanilla table but using custom made .

So probably diplomacy in RSG will not work that because, the value that RSG used simply cant replace Better AI, since the AI already used custom value which will not be replacable, unless the RSG change the table and value name, and perhaps its may replace it, if you load its above Better AI

Sorry to bring bad news, hope its clarify everything

[the herald]

Can we have another option other than Occupy? Removing sack and raze means you have to settle in the first settlement you attack, as the Barbarian hordes. From my Ostrogoth campaign:




Liberate only works in some settlements, so if you can't use it you are forced to settle. A horde that turns into a normal faction on turn 1/2 is a little bit pointless. Might as well just give them territory at the start and call it quits.

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Can we have another option other than Occupy? Removing sack and raze means you have to settle in the first settlement you attack, as the Barbarian hordes. From my Ostrogoth campaign:




Liberate only works in some settlements, so if you can't use it you are forced to settle. A horde that turns into a normal faction on turn 1/2 is a little bit pointless. Might as well just give them territory at the start and call it quits.

Well Sir herald you may do it yourself, just add sack option into barbarian culture in Better AI patch pack, maybe some barbarian behaviour little stranged but you got your sack back. Until i able to located which tables for Nomad faction in cai_personality tables. For now that setting will be officialy Default. If CA do me kindness and share little tips and trick, perhaps things like this may not happens today

That all i can help, good luck

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

Err maybe yes maybe not, since when developing Better AI , its have its own independent custom personality table, which i dont think cant be replaced by other mod, unless he create the same personality name inside it, and that may possible.

Cant help much for this, just pray its work , just try it and see it yourself , hope its help Sir Zhokar

[the herald]

If I add sack and raze back in will they still do them or will I need to edit another table?

[Go0lden_Archer]

If I add sack and raze back in will they still do them or will I need to edit another table?

If you'll add sack for barbarians, every barbarian faction will be able to sack settlements, yes. Same with raze_without_occupy
Nvm, didn't notice the answer already

[Junaidi83 de Bodemloze]

When you add sack, lets say barbaric culture, then both human and AI will able to do sack.

There is no need to edit another table , all you need to do just add the missing option

If you like fun you can also add raze without occupy too, guarantee will entertaint you

[the herald]

ok thanks Any idea how I save this patch file after the edits/additions? It's throwing "Will only save MOD and none CA movie with current settings".