Hey guys, I haven't had a look, but are there any legionaries that have Segmantata armour? I know really only the Augustus period made extensive use of it but it would be cool as it is the "trademark" of the Legions.
Segmantata
Hey guys, I haven't had a look, but are there any legionaries that have Segmantata armour? I know really only the Augustus period made extensive use of it but it would be cool as it is the "trademark" of the Legions.
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Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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Senator
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Haha, almost missed it
Civis
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While the normal Imperial reform legionaries use it alongside hamata, you can edit them with Pack File Manager to only use segmentata. I've done this with my game as I can't stand the 'mix and match' look they have in vanilla.
Artifex
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Historically the legions did wear a "mix and match" of armours, the chainmail and scale was still a lot more widespread then segmentata in the legions. You can also get "armoured legionaries" latter on that wear just segmentata if you prefer that armour. All of this is Imperial reforms only in DEI.
Civis
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Yep, true, but I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of historical authenticity in a case like this.
Nothing really more than personal taste, to be honest.
Senator
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I would not even consider it inaccurate - If the prime reason is army effectiveness/well being and money/materials/greed are not a factor as they where in the days of old because the player simply manages things better, than why not.
Artifex
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Drowsy, the deal was not lack of money, but Hamata aka chainmail was simply prefered by legionares
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Yeah, it wasn't simply a lack of organizational funds that pushed for the use of one or the other. The segmentata was cheaper to produce but it required more and pricier maintenance. The chain/scale mail was more expensive to produce, but the friction between the separate parts was a rust deterrent, ergo they took much less and much cheaper maintenance. I believe even after segmentata was invented and spread, chain/scale mail was still often preferred by legionnaires due to the long term cost and maintenance factor. Although I am somewhat unsure how much personal preference affected a legionnaire's equipment and how standardized by the state imperial legion equipment was.
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How do you know what legionaries preferred and what the relation between mail and segmented armor was? There are no written sources about it at all. Findings of both parts of armor do not show any hard facts to judge about the frequency of usage. Even if you dare to create a relation of use by the relation of armor parts found (and you should not dare to do this because of the scarcity of findings), it seems to hint to a use of segmented armor and mail at the same rate. This is knowledge some years old, every new finding would change and maybe has changed the trivia.
What I know from reenactors who have worn replicas of both forms of armor for extended time is that both have advantages and disadvantages during use. If a segmented armor is not made to the wearers body well it is uncomfortable to wear. Because mail is near useless without a padded backing, together with the backing it is also uncomfortable to wear, but not that uncomfortable. It is also a combo with much more weight to exhaust the wearer than plate. If mail is not carefully riveted it is a steady annoyance. Plate armor usually is much more protective than mail, protects against blunt trauma but covers less of the body and restricts movement more. Make your choice.
Senator
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Very informative, never knew all this.
However, Emperor Drowsinius Augustus was always a bit mad, some say OCD other say it was the weed. Regardless, he passed the 'lex generica' without much opposition. It all worked out too, because he slaughtered a white bull and added a layer of silk to the padded backing, tailor made.
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