Sassanid campaign music, but with arabic vocal....

[Rostam_e_Iran]

Inb4 'ungrateful bashing' I want to actually thank CA for implementing a beautiful piece of music fo the Sassanids and I appreciate the effort.

However, it was annoying listening to arabic vocals with the music. It's like 1 step forwards 2 steps back. Initially I was like "wow , CA have added faction specific music, brilliant" and then I heard the vocals, which were in arabic and for me it completely killed the immersion, talk about a rooler coaster of emotions.
Don't get me wrong, I got othing agaisnt arabic vocals, but it's not my cup of tea. I really don't want to hear some arabic guy singing in the background when playing as the Sassanids, especially when I'm Persian.

Whould it have been so hard to get some Persian folk singing instead? Baffles me that CA go to such lengths to create faction specific sound tracks and yet still, after all the complaints that have been made in these and the official forums about the Sassnids depiction being to or almost like arabic representation that they go and add arabic singing.....

I feel guilty even comlaning about this because CA has tried, but come on...seriously?

PS: Wtf is going on with WRE voices? It's like a bunch of torries having a good old chat......English WRE wanabees...sad.

[JustCrabbe]

Yeah.. i kind of wish they used more avestan terminology. I'm also curious why they never included Sogdiana since they were such a trading powerhouse, having basically monopolized the Sino-Hindustani trade in the 4th century. They had a very large influence up until about the 8th century when the arab muslims conquered the area.

[Pogglethemad]

manham, khoob neest!

Was really hoping to hear some Persian somewhere in there as well, maybe someone makes a mod?

[Wudadi]

CA use Mongolian music and vocal to represent Huns, but it is okay that Huns is Mongolian ancestor.(Han dynasty vs. Huns on Mongolia grasslands, after Han dynasty won the campaign that killed Huns' Khan, Huns was divided two groups: 1. Southern Huns (made obeisance to the Han dynasty) 2. Northern Huns: escaped to central Asia, finally, they migrated to Europe and destroyed Western Rome empire.





Attila Portrait really need to fix. Maybe it because Southeast Asian are all over the world, Western people don't know North Asian(north of Yangtze River) looks like, some of them think all of Asian looks sameAttila is North Asian, not Southeast Asian like second picture. He has a big nose hole + a flat nose + a big-prominent forehead...................
North Asian are high nose(lower than European) + normal nose hole(adapt to the cold).
Southeast Asian big nose hole() + a flat nose(adapt to the hot, tropical)
Those are common sense.

[MisterClever]

CA use Mongolian music and vocal to represent Huns, but it is okay that Huns is Mongolian ancestor.(Han dynasty vs. Huns on Mongolia grasslands, after Han dynasty won the campaign that killed Huns' Khan, Huns was divided two groups: 1. Southern Huns (made obeisance to the Han dynasty) 2. Northern Huns: escaped to central Asia, finally, they migrated to Europe and destroyed Western Rome empire.





Attila Portrait really need to fix. Maybe it because Southeast Asian are all over the world, Western people don't know North Asian(north of Yangtze River) looks like, some of them think all of Asian looks sameAttila is North Asian, not Southeast Asian like second picture. He has a big nose hole + a flat nose + a big-prominent forehead...................
North Asian are high nose(lower than European) + normal nose hole(adapt to the cold).
Southeast Asian big nose hole() + a flat nose(adapt to the hot, tropical)
Those are common sense.

I agree with everything you are saying, but the amount of detail that we don't seem to know about the Huns is also staggering. Some historians think he was born on the Pontic steppe, maybe even had Rus mother? The descriptions we have of him are mostly from Roman sources and they have little reason to portray him anything but a monster. Just playing devil's advocate

Though I agree with you all. I hated and still hate the english accented Romans and pompous sounding voice overs that they have done for most of the factions. Especially the Gauls. Makes them sound French or something its silly. They obviously were just goofing around when they made all those voice overs because they are beyond horrible.

In Napoleon TW, they had the mother tongue for the units when you clicked on them and heard them shout on the battlefield. That was awesome. You didn't need to know what they were saying.

Rome 2 was too mass market appeal so all the lame voice overs and vanilla unit names etc was cheeseball.

I was hoping Attila had them speaking in some sort of dialect that although might be wrong (how could we really know what was right?) would sound foreign and slightly unsettling to the average ear, which I think should be the point. The Huns scared the living out of the people of the day. All those stories of them being monsters, centaurs and the like! Point being a well done Mongolian/Xiongnu/Kidarite/Kazahk accent with zero English words would have done the trick.

Latin for Rome of course. Does anyone know what Gaullic, or Old Germanic, 'Ostrogothic' languages would have sounded like? Intelligent stabs at it with no English would have done the job I think.

[Germanicus75]

In Napoleon TW, they had the mother tongue for the units when you clicked on them and heard them shout on the battlefield.

Except the Danes, whom they got to speak in German...

[The Chocolate Jesus]

Except the Danes, whom they got to speak in German...

Are you sure? I am almost certain the Danes didn't speak German..

[Germanicus75]

Are you sure? I am almost certain the Danes didn't speak German..

Yup. I was playing as them last night (using a mod).

[Generaal Van Heutsz]

Latin for Rome of course. Does anyone know what Gaullic, or Old Germanic, 'Ostrogothic' languages would have sounded like? Intelligent stabs at it with no English would have done the job I think.

Modern saxon is still spoken is the netherlands and large part (in fact the largest part) of germany, modern frankish is dutch. gothic is extinct but a bible translation remains. Iirc the germanic languages were still mutually intelligable back then and probably sounded something like the dialects the speak in the nothern netherlands, nothern germany and southern parts of denmark. The other parts had some vowel and consonant shifts

[6040610]

I think sing throat singing to represent the Huns is ok. Throat singing is one of the earliest styles of music there is. Almost every culture has it. Magyars, Turks, Mongols, native Americans, etc. All Altaic groups throat sing. The throat singing could just as well be Tuvan and you probably wouldn't know the difference.

[IGdood]

you probably wouldn't know the difference.

But this is TWC, where there's always that one guy who knows that one obscure detail and will fight CA and everyone else to the death over it.

[Ecthelion]

I think it's worth asking if CA knows the difference between Persian and Arab.

They have Alan units portrayed in the same manner as Huns after all.

[Evan]

I don't think its accepted as concrete that the Huns and Xiongnu are one in the same. Leading theory, sure, but other than that...

[MisterClever]

I don't think its accepted as concrete that the Huns and Xiongnu are one in the same. Leading theory, sure, but other than that...

Yes you are right, it's not accepted, but it's sort of the "best hypothesis". My guess is some sort of Kara-khitai type of peoples. Would explain the Asiatic yet Turkic feel they have. Also his brother Bleda, clearly is a Germanic name. I always assumed the Huns were a large horde that glued together other disparate tribes as they headed west in their migrations, so all the confusing accounts are probably because there were in fact so many different peoples serving them as vassals or client hordes, if you will. This explains among many other reasons, why the "Hunnic Empire" fell so quickly after Attila's death. Once the party ended, all the 'guests' went home.

Yes, Persian is completely different from Arab. I have many Persian friends that remind me that "Persia is to the Eastern Civ as Rome is to the Western Civ" as they would put it. To get Persians and Arabs mixed up is very insulting.

[o0LuNeStA0o]

Haven't heard the Sassanid music yet, but the throat singing definitely isn't for me. More annoying than anything :/

[Slaxx Hatmen]

I think I know the piece of music you're talking about and it just so happens that it plays no matter what culture your faction is. Heard during the Visigoth prologue as well as my WRE campaign.

[Rostam_e_Iran]

Does anyone know if music can be modded? And has anyone heard the Sassanid campiagn music to back me up?

THere's also a big Hun faction music dispute going on here which I don't, though I kinda thought it suited the Huns quite well. But then again I;m ignorant about Hun music.

[Brivime]

I am 14 hours into my Sassanid Empire campaign and I have not heard any Arabic vocals.

Is this a case of "Arabic looking" Armenian Spearmen complaints again?

Anyone have a link to the Sassanid soundtrack so I can check?

[LinusLinothorax]

I am 14 hours into my Sassanid Empire campaign and I have not heard any Arabic vocals.

Is this a case of "Arabic looking" Armenian Spearmen complaints again?

Anyone have a link to the Sassanid soundtrack so I can check?

I guess its this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJR0OdG3u1g

Beddow is really one lazy ass composer. Instead of resarching he just takes pseudo-ancient sounds (The duduk-spam in Rome 2) or now Arabic chants for the "Easterners" (Easternes = All muslims as we know). I mean even the composer of the 300 movies was able to take a Persian singer. This really hurts.

[Brivime]

Yep that song is in Arabic but the accent is very weird and for the most part it is incomprehensible to me.