English racism raising it's ugly head: racist and we like it

[sabaku_no_gaara]

Seriously blocking a black man from entering the metro in his own country? Where do the English think they are? 1950's Southern USA? Or 1960's South Africa?


Is blocking black people from riding the subway or the bus a big thing in England? I remember a scene from the movie the football factory where 2 young guys harass a Pakistani man and his child on the bus to the point where they get off the bus in a panick, but I thought it was a gross exaggeration, but the English really are like this?



and yes the title of this thread is a nod to the ridiculous title of the pegida thread because all racism is equally ugly, people usually never mention the country where the racism takes place but when it's Germany: whoooh whaaaah germany, let's all panic because they are sooooooo scary!"

[Kraut]

people usually never mention the country where the racism takes place

But this incident took place in FRANCE, right?

[Aram Kurdo]

Is blocking black people from riding the subway or the bus a big thing in England? I remember a scene from the movie the football factory where 2 young guys harass a Pakistani man and his child on the bus to the point where they get off the bus in a panick, but I thought it was a gross exaggeration, but the English really are like this?

the black people were brought as slaves and yet after all these years of resistance they finally could achieve freedom, yet they still face discriminations ...


but for the Pakistani_arabic-Turkish thing, dont worry you must face them as well, because more than 85% of them are racist or fundamentalists, and most of them are silent terrorists waiting for something to blow. also they do the great discrimination to their daughters and sisters and "wives" in their home in the very europe!

[Himster]

Isn't mixing up English and French people a bit racist?

[Roma_Victrix]

It's a catchy tune, and at the same time extremely exasperating. I honestly don't get all the hate for immigrants who come from various places in Africa. Nearly every single one I've ever met rank among the nicest, most hospitable, and sweetest people I've known. They're much easier to get along with than a good amount of African American teens in any given urban ghetto in the US who mostly hate white people and even attack them for having the audacity to walk through the "wrong" neighborhoods. I remember going to Baltimore to see a concert a long time ago and driving through the "wrong" neighborhood on accident by taking the wrong turn. We stopped at a store for a bit to grab some drinks, and all I could hear behind us from the black kids was them muttering hostile stuff like "mothering white boy needs to leave" and "stupid mother ing whitie, white ass mother er" and all that racist nonsense.

[The Wandering Storyteller]

It's a catchy tune, and at the same time extremely exasperating. I honestly don't get all the hate for immigrants who come from various places in Africa. Nearly every single one I've ever met rank among the nicest, most hospitable, and sweetest people I've known. They're much easier to get along with than a good amount of African American teens in any given urban ghetto in the US who mostly hate white people and even attack them for having the audacity to walk through the "wrong" neighborhoods. I remember going to Baltimore to see a concert a long time ago and driving through the "wrong" neighborhood on accident by taking the wrong turn. We stopped at a store for a bit to grab some drinks, and all I could hear behind us from the black kids was them muttering hostile stuff like "mothering white boy needs to leave" and "stupid mother ing whitie, white ass mother er" and all that racist nonsense.

Fully agreed. No wonder there is so much ignorance in this world today.

[mishkin]

I think this is usually called "isolated case". But yes, those guys are idiots

[Knight_Of_Ne]

And to sum up this thread in one easily manageable bite... Drunk football fans do stupid things whilst on the way to a football match.
Does it mean all English people are racist? No.
Does it mean all Chelsea fans are racist? No.
Is stupidity a thing exclusive to English football fans? No.

Is it a deplorable and stupid thing? Yes.
Should it be punished? Yes.
Will it be punished? Probably.

We all have our idiots and Sabaku, comparing football fans to Pegida is stupid. One is a political organisation whilst the other is a small group of football fans. Apples and oranges.

[Aram Kurdo]

And to sum up this thread in one easily manageable bite... Drunk football fans do stupid things whilst on the way to a football match.
Does it mean all English people are racist? No.
Does it mean all Chelsea fans are racist? No.
Is stupidity a thing exclusive to English football fans? No.

Is it a deplorable and stupid thing? Yes.
Should it be punished? Yes.
Will it be punished? Probably.

We all have our idiots and Sabaku, comparing football fans to Pegida is stupid. One is a political organisation whilst the other is a small group of football fans. Apples and oranges.

comparing a very deep facts of racism or fundamentalism with some angry bands fans of a team or a group, is coming from your unawareness and very naive friend.
minority of somethings is something else, majority of racism or fundamentalis is something else, which you people in west Europe and and north America's newer generations (maybe older too) doesnt have any in knowledge and information about those ethnics & regions & nations and religions or races or others. just heard or seen somethings and you think they are individual or minority which is not.

well if i want to explaine more, i will be infracted as off posting which i dont think it is, but i can not do anything. so excuse me.

[Halie Satanus]

Is blocking black people from riding the subway or the bus a big thing in England?

No. These idiots are a minority, even among Chelsea supporters.

I remember a scene from the movie the football factory where 2 young guys harass a Pakistani man and his child on the bus to the point where they get off the bus in a panick, but I thought it was a gross exaggeration, but the English really are like this?

In the football factory there are two scenes where the racist cabbie is berated for spouting his brand of nonsense.. Once by two WW2 vets and again by the two main characters.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Football hooliganism. Something of the English national shame and something England has tackled with quite a lot of success.

This is no different. These will be found and destroyed to the full extent of the law. It's almost certain they'll never be allowed out of the country during a football match ever again.

And sabaku: you know you can do better. You've let yourself down.

[Roma_Victrix]

This is no different. These will be found and destroyed to the full extent of the law. It's almost certain they'll never be allowed out of the country during a football match ever again.

Wait, what? What exactly is the punishment for pushing someone out of a metro train in the UK? Castration? Double amputation?

It's clearly not a case of attempted murder here. The black dude's life wasn't in danger; he was just being obstructed from partaking in a public transportation service by a bunch of neanderthals. Surely they deserve some sort of fine for obstructing others from using a public facility. Why you think this behavior, although admittedly despicable, deserves destruction with "the full extent of the law" is beyond me.

[Stavroforos]

Wait, what? What exactly is the punishment for pushing someone out of a metro train in the UK? Castration? Double amputation?

It's clearly not a case of attempted murder here. The black dude's life wasn't in danger; he was just being obstructed from partaking in a public transportation service by a bunch of neanderthals. Surely they deserve some sort of fine for obstructing others from using a public facility. Why you think this behavior, although admittedly despicable, deserves destruction with "the full extent of the law" is beyond me.

Yeah, it seems like a very extreme position to take. Assault, threats, and obstruction of utility of a public good deserve whatever punishment is relevant, but even then it doesn't seem like it should warrant an extreme punishment.

[Enros]

Is this meant to be 21st century racism?

I also love how the BBC put this as their headline article this morning - 'cos you know, some drunk guys on a train is the worst thing to hit humanity since the ten plagues of Egypt. Needless to say I'm shocked beyond belief and think that all white British men should engage in government sponsored self-flagellation for this outrage.

Yet if some Irish people pushed an English guy off a train while shouting that the IRA bomb attacks in England were great fun, I am sure you would have a meltdown.

Wait, what? What exactly is the punishment for pushing someone out of a metro train in the UK? Castration? Double amputation?

It's clearly not a case of attempted murder here. The black dude's life wasn't in danger; he was just being obstructed from partaking in a public transportation service by a bunch of neanderthals. Surely they deserve some sort of fine for obstructing others from using a public facility. Why you think this behavior, although admittedly despicable, deserves destruction with "the full extent of the law" is beyond me.

The maximum penalty for assault without causing harm in the UK is 6 months in prison.

[Cope]

Is this meant to be 21st century racism?

I also love how the BBC put this as their headline article this morning - 'cos you know, some drunk guys on a train is the worst thing to hit humanity since the ten plagues of Egypt. Needless to say I'm shocked beyond belief and think that all white British men should engage in government sponsored self-flagellation for this outrage.

[Knight_Of_Ne]

Usually I believe anyone who is identified gets banned from attending there clubs matches by the club and if the local police want to bring some kind of charge to the individual, well that happens to.

[Aikanár]

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