Raiding does not affect AI?

[ra2z]

When the Ai puts one single unit in my territory and uses raiding stance, my public order decreases to -10-40, but when i do the same thing with 4 full stacks and besieging there city, theres barely a dent in their public order and i can only see a major difference during winter. Was this a feature put in by CA or the DeI team, and if not, can you fix it?

[zombieflanders]

On top of the vanilla bonuses, DeI gives the AI gets pretty big bonuses to food and PO at all difficulties, and massive ones at the higher ones. IIRC some of the major factions get even more to help them expand or prevent them from being destroyed early. It's really really hard, if not impossible, for raiding to knock off enough food and PO at H/VH/L to cause famine or serious unrest. This was done for balancing and CAI gameplay.

P.S.: You've started three threads in less than 24 hours. Please consider putting questions in one of the stickies (bug reports for something you think is an issue, suggestions/critiques for feedback, etc.) so that the board doesn't get cluttered for the rest of us.

[Alexandre Lange]

I confirm that raiding have little to no impact over AI: we see no po reduction and, even if I see something like food -15 at the enemy settlement, they take no losses from attrition. I understand the reasons to give AI bonuses at food and po, but it should not make an important stance useless. If you can't attack a settlement, you should have the option to cause trouble to the enemies until they come to solve it (like we do when they raid us). Cut supplies (-food) causing attrition and incite rebelions (-po) is a viable war strategy.

[Dresden]

I have actually reduced the AI bonuses by quite a bit recently. The food bonus is MUCH smaller now and the PO bonus I think is around vanilla's values.

[Alexandre Lange]

I have actually reduced the AI bonuses by quite a bit recently. The food bonus is MUCH smaller now and the PO bonus I think is around vanilla's values.

Thanks for answer, Dresden. By "now" you mean the next update to come or current version (1.04a, feb 7)?

[Drowsy]

Just did a few turn as Rome on N/N and raiding certainly had an impact, Sicily rebelled pretty fast.

[ThatWhichThinks]

As Parthia on hard campaign difficulty, I have been raiding Drangiana and Persia. I haven't seen any PO effects to speak of, but I have definitely seen them start taking attrition (presumably due to food shortages). How bif are the factions that you are raiding? I imagine that raiding larger factions would be almost pointless except to boost your own income since their food supply is probably pretty solid and the AI gets PO bonuses.

[Alexandre Lange]

Last time? One settlement faction north of Armenia starting position. One half stack besieging the walled city, two full stacks of mine plus one from an ally raiding. No po penalty, food -15 but no attrition (even besieged).

[Lord Damian]

Dresden pls make a submod for people that want challenge. I know you told you were going to do so. Take your time .
Im just saying that i like the mod how it is now and i will like it more with more challenge

[FlashHeart07]

Dresden pls make a submod for people that want challenge. I know you told you were going to do so. Take your time .
Im just saying that i like the mod how it is now and i will like it more with more challenge

Use the harder diplomacy mod. Makes it tougher

[HarkonRules]

Where is that submod? I don't use steam workshop.

[Lord Damian]

Thanks i definitely will try that.

[FlashHeart07]

It is not a submod but a mod for itself. Dont know if you can find it anywhere other than on steam.