AI agents destryoed my army

**ra2z** · February 13, 2015, 02:08 AM

2 agents poisioned my army and now i have suffered more than 60% casutiles as a result... Wtf is going on with this

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**RollingWave** · February 13, 2015, 02:35 AM

They probably had high level and put multiple points into mass poison, you can do the same thing.

It's rare that the AI actually do something that's dangerous, so why not. I almost always try to poison before attacking if I can.

**zonks40** · February 13, 2015, 04:10 AM

We never poison the AI stacks, the AI is easy enough as it is without decimating their armies.

**Ygraine** · February 13, 2015, 04:40 AM

If you chose cunning traits for your generals - it will be harder for enemy spies to poison their provisions since poisoning uses cunning!

**ra2z** · February 13, 2015, 05:14 AM

currently i am being forced to go past 8 agents that can destroy entire armys.... wonderful. i could understand that they would be able to spread dieseases among my troops just like you could do in Medival 2 total war but

like this is very annoying.... My un defeated roman legions being decimated by agents.....

**zonks40** · February 13, 2015, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by ra2z

currently i am being forced to go past 8 agents that can destroy entire armys.... wonderful. i could understand that they would be able to spread dieseases among my troops just like you could do in Medival 2 total war but

like this is very annoying.... My un defeated roman legions being decimated by agents.....

My opponent and I get quite a laugh sometimes when we see this, just picturing an agent with a cart, a hose and a few drums of poison in the back, all the while the guards stand around slack jawed in a puddle of their own drool

**Jin-** · February 13, 2015, 06:53 AM

Welcome to Streamlined Total War. It would be impossible for one guy to stop entire army, only in fantasy.
Best to use no agents mod or limited agents

**Butan** · February 13, 2015, 07:30 AM

I'm not sure but it seems like the AI has bonus in terms of agent damage?

Even with an experienced agent and points in poisoning, when I poison an army most of the time it kills ~25-50% of 1-2 units and ~5-10% of 2-5 other units.
When the AI does it sometimes it affects nearly 100% of my units and quite heavily, like a massive attrition.

**FlashHeart07** · February 13, 2015, 07:47 AM

Cannot be that difficult to open up the PFM and remove the ability to poison armies

**zonks40** · February 13, 2015, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by FlashHeart07

Cannot be that difficult to open up the PFM and remove the ability to poison armies

It isn't, we have toned down the % of casualties caused by mass poisoning, including the bonuses for the agent skills, haven't worked out how to prevent them from paralyzing the army yet however.

**FlashHeart07** · February 14, 2015, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by zonks40

It isn't, we have toned down the % of casualties caused by mass poisoning, including the bonuses for the agent skills, haven't worked out how to prevent them from paralyzing the army yet however.

Odd. But lowering the chance of succes will almost have the same effect I guess.

**ThatWhichThinks** · February 14, 2015, 08:14 AM

I would personally like to see smaller casualties, but the ability to slow enemies down, particularly in your territory, is very nice. It helps with that guerrilla war feeling when I am a Celtic or Iberian nation!

**Butan** · February 14, 2015, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by ThatWhichThinks

I would personally like to see smaller casualties, but the ability to slow enemies down, particularly in your territory, is very nice. It helps with that guerrilla war feeling when I am a Celtic or Iberian nation!

Works well in theory but with how limited armies are (general only and caps+ increased cost/upkeep) its very easy to completely incapacite a whole faction military power (at least locally, on a particular front) using agents.

Its even worst when you are at war with more than 1 AI, because they do feel like they like to aim the human player in priority, so you can get a lot of agent activity per turn. If they all hit you successfully it can completely

you over. Which is kinda good for challenge, but feels really bad: in a Total War I want to lose in battles not against agents...

**zonks40** · February 14, 2015, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Butan

Its even worst when you are at war with more than 1 AI, because they do feel like they like to aim the human player in priority, so you can get a lot of agent activity per turn. If they all hit you successfully it can completely

you over. Which is kinda good for challenge, but feels really bad: in a Total War I want to lose in battles not against agents...

I agree, I think that if our dinner got poisoned a few times you would become pretty vigilant on who goes near the food, but the game does not consider this, nor should poison slow or stop an army, it's silly, how many armies in History have lost thousands of men on the march to disease, cold or heat, it does not stop them, it certainly did not stop Hannibal crossing the Alps nor Napoleon's retreat from Russia, so I doubt some soldiers dying of poison are going to hold an army up for 4 months.

**Butan** · February 14, 2015, 09:29 AM

If I remember correctly there is a +10% chance to evade agent action if already attacked once. Maybe could increase it to 100% so that you cant have a single entity being spammed to hell.