Patrol stance: OP

[rjacko10]

I think this stance is OP with too many benefits. Perhaps the reduced unit upkeep should be removed?

[Jin-]

I agree, especially when you stack generals without an army to increase public order.
Public order should only get that 4-5 boost when army is full and not with 1 general

[Litharion]

I agree, especially when you stack generals without an army to increase public order.
Public order should only get that 4-5 boost when army is full and not with 1 general

I could script a unit counter and only activate the stance, if the army is at least 10 units strong or something

[HarkonRules]

You people are crazy. It's not OP at all, and you'll taste that promptly when you realize your army is always ambushed when attacked on the stance, and you can't get any reinforcements, even from nearby cities. Enjoy losing a stack when you're acting greedy for PO and province wealth by putting an army in patrol stance when you're in war or about to face a slaves revolt.

And if you're not at war, it just makes an entire army's upkeep less harsh, it's not like you're getting more out of the army than if you disbanded it, by far, it's just giving an army some use for the money you're paying it when it's not even being needed... It's just a sweetener with risky disadvantages if you're caught by surprise.
Besides, Generals patrolling aren't getting XP, you benefit more in the long run from having them gain XP in cities.

[rjacko10]

I could script a unit counter and only activate the stance, if the army is at least 10 units strong or something

Sounds great!

You people are crazy.

Haha. You've got a point. I never risk putting armies into the stance unless they're completely safe, so at the moment they're are no -ves for me.

But darknessjw problem and Litharion's fix would be far more meaningful than current.

[Alexandre Lange]

And if you're not at war, it just makes an entire army's upkeep less harsh, it's not like you're getting more out of the army than if you disbanded it, by far, it's just giving an army some use for the money you're paying it when it's not even being needed...

If you use an army. You can make it just with the general unit, and that's the point. Please make the script, Litharion.

[meerkatology]

You people are crazy. It's not OP at all, and you'll taste that promptly when you realize your army is always ambushed when attacked on the stance, and you can't get any reinforcements, even from nearby cities. Enjoy losing a stack when you're acting greedy for PO and province wealth by putting an army in patrol stance when you're in war or about to face a slaves revolt.

And if you're not at war, it just makes an entire army's upkeep less harsh, it's not like you're getting more out of the army than if you disbanded it, by far, it's just giving an army some use for the money you're paying it when it's not even being needed... It's just a sweetener with risky disadvantages if you're caught by surprise.
Besides, Generals patrolling aren't getting XP, you benefit more in the long run from having them gain XP in cities.

this x 100.

really, just this.

[RollingWave]

I thought that way too until I lost my only army because it got ambushed in patrol stance

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

I only want to add that I think the name is not appropriate, I imagine patrol stance means that the army is encamped in the province and there are frequent small contingents sent out on patrol on every corner of the province. So that's why public order is kept in check and economy is better. But how can an army that is set on keeping a province under control with patrols and eyes everywhere get ambushed ?

[rjacko10]

I only want to add that I think the name is not appropriate, I imagine patrol stance means that the army is encamped in the province and there are frequent small contingents sent out on patrol on every corner of the province. So that's why public order is kept in check and economy is better. But how can an army that is set on keeping a province under control with patrols and eyes everywhere get ambushed ?

On this particular occasion the army has temporarily rejoined and is patrolling together

[Litharion]

if someone is interested here is the patrol stance version I suggested : You need at least an army of 10 to activate the stance.

You have to deactivate the PO stance for all your smaller armies before using this.

https://www.mediafire.com/?lezh3896op11bb5

[rjacko10]

if someone is interested here is the patrol stance version I suggested : You need at least an army of 10 to activate the stance.

You have to deactivate the PO stance for all your smaller armies before using this.

https://www.mediafire.com/?lezh3896op11bb5

Blimey! You're quick!

[Drowsy]

Sweet, i just conquered Mediolanum on turn 9. Silly CAI --now ill just park my army in patrol mode to prevent these unruly peasants from revolting the next turn -- i mean, what's the worse that could happen?

[Goffredo85]

This is a great idea...it would also stop all the people (me too ) putting an army made up of a single general in patrol stance as governor in a city!

[Butan]

Another idea could be that you can only have one patrol per province/region, or that even if you put more the PO bonus doesnt stack (maximum reached).

Litharion you think that the PO bonus could be scaled from a minimum to a maximum, depending on the number of "unit cards" that are in patrolling decks? A bit like with how garrisoned armies give public disorder the more there are units in the deck.

[Litharion]

Another idea could be that you can only have one patrol per province/region, or that even if you put more the PO bonus doesnt stack (maximum reached).

Litharion you think that the PO bonus could be scaled from a minimum to a maximum, depending on the number of "unit cards" that are in patrolling decks? A bit like with how garrisoned armies give public disorder the more there are units in the deck.

I think the only way to scale the public order bonus is with new stances for the different number of units in an army. No idea if we can create new ones. Other option is to apply the actual public order bonus from patrolling to the army and remove it from the stance. This requires more scripting. I really like the idea to restrict the stance to one per region or province and it should be possible to script.

[ThatWhichThinks]

I hope that these suggested changes remain optional. I have enough trouble keeping PO with multiple generals!

[Jin-]

I never got ambushed, because i know where my enemy is and i only patrol near the city anyway.
Not so hard to use it.

Ambushes are not happening anyway on my 600h Rome II anyway. Not from me or the AI.
Why? AI spots you always anyway, and the AI never ambush unless you don't know how to control your forces.

That script as optional would be nice.

[rjacko10]

Do you guys think the raiding stance should have this script too?

[Jin-]

Yeah. Good suggestion again.