It's all about balance!

[Aristophanes]

There isn't enough balance on these forums! There are so many threads praising the jews, or equivocating, allowing them to get away with the same things they've been doing for centuries. This must stop. We all know the TRUE PURPOSE of the State of Israel: it is not TRUE liberal democracy. Can you not see or hear every day, when you turn on your television or your radio, the truth about these madmen, these bloodthirsty tyrants of the Middle East? How can you be unaware of THEIR crimes? How can you not see that this is a nation which was not meant to exist, which does not have the right to exist with all the gory and vile crimes to its name. There are too many to enumerate, so I won't bother you with the details, but suffice to say that each square meter of so-called 'Israeli'- actually Zionist...but the Zionist controlled media won't let you say that- soil is drenched in the blood of innocent Palestinians, a people desperately seeking peace and international voice through non-violent resistance against the evil oppressor. Who would deny them the right to defend themselves against the brutal and arbitrary Israeli Forces: commanders who laugh as they launch precision laser or satellite guided high explosive shells at the dwellings of innocent civilians, and soldiers who torture, rape and pillage wherever they go. Do you not remember the death squads and ethnic cleansings at Jenin? What about the millions of Palestinians who have disappeared in the night, never to be seen again, slaughtered by the cruel, oppressive Zionist police state.

These crimes are so disgusting an numerous that is a wonder the whole world does not revolt against this madness. Sadly, brothers, an insidious evil eats at the very heart of our democracies, and shapes and manipulates world opinion at will. I speak, of course, of the Zionist media, but that pales in comparison to a more insidious agenda cooked up by a renegade cabale of staunch neo-conservatives, allied with the hyper-religious right, who have turned the United States' super-power status into a fist to crush legitimate dissent. But what has inspired this outrageous plot? The project for a new american century is a front: all the influential neo-cons are Jews, Zionists, if I may speak plainly. The true masterminds, the true conspiracy is so disgusting and corrupting that it is with difficulty I even mention it. Jews, Zionists, they are behind all the world's problems as they seek to further their tribe and take their place once again at the top, a place decreed by God...no less. If you don't believe me brothers, I have proof! Go to wikipedia.org and read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion if you don't find this account credible. I guarantee your eyes will be opened.

[gigagaia]

If this thread so much as smells like it will turn into a flamewar, consequences will not be pleasent...

Thank you and enjoy your debating

[Fenris]

First, many parts of what you said is anti-semitism with no rational basis and simply hate-driven statements like:

Jews, Zionists, they are behind all the world's problems as they seek to further their tribe and take their place once again at the top, a place decreed by God...no less.

Go to wikipedia.org and read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion if you don't find this account credible.

This has been made by extremists, just like there are muslim extremists who say the world has to be purged from the infidels. They represent a minority.

Etc. etc.

I agree with the general idea, but you are going too far in many statements, and balance is not just about counter balancing the other's opinion (so if he's an extremist, I'll voice the oposite extremist opinion) but a balance in the point of view you have of things. There are many guilty jewish people, but also many guilty muslim people in the problem, but the most important, is that there is a lot of innocents who are caught in the crossfire, and on both sides.

[Dromikaites]

He, he, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a propaganda product of the Okhrana (Tsarist Secret Police) and therefore a hoax. It is exposed as such in Wikipedia, therefore I have to congratulate Aristophanes for his fine sense of humour when he urges the readers to consult Wiki on the issue

On the other hand I'd say one can take any small nation and after selectively chosing a few facts one can use them to portray that nation as secretly seeking to achieve world domination. Ever heard of the Estonian menace? Well, you should be aware of it: Skype was created by Estonians. e-Bay bought Skype which in turn allowed the Estonians to infiltrate the online auction giant. So not only the evil Estonians can monitor all the voice-over-IP conversations done through Skype but they now can also profile anybody who is an e-Bay user. See, here is an excellent starting point for writting the Protocols of the Elders of Tallinn

[dr0p]

k adolf
cant stop laughing, honestly...
guess the world havent changed in the last 60 years...

[Last Roman]

k adolf
cant stop laughing, honestly...
guess the world havent changed in the last 60 years...

it's a little thing called satire.

[edders]

Um, I think someone was joking...

[Ó Cathasaigh]

The fact that the original poster would go off on such an ill-advised rant sickens me.

We do need balance, we need far fewer people that scream "JEWS" every 10 seconds, and far more that rationalize.

[the Black Prince]

i don't deny a need for balance in this conflict

however
you do your credibility no good at all when you post statements such as

the blood of innocent Palestinians, a people desperately seeking peace and international voice through non-violent resistance against the evil oppressor

since when has suicide bombings been a method of seeking peace, or indeed, non violent?

[Aristophanes]

i don't deny a need for balance in this conflict

however
you do your credibility no good at all when you post statements such as


since when has suicide bombings been a method of seeking peace, or indeed, non violent?

I liked that part too!

[Sher Khan]

Amusing hyperbole.

Exalted are those who will trade favours.
Exalted are those who see eye to eye.
Exalted are those who persist, and persist until all else succumbs to volume.
Exalted are those who ignore, and ignore until all else succumbs to obstinacy.
Exalted are those who agree for the sake of agreeing.
Exalted are those who believe.
Exalted are those who dismiss cognitive dissonance with the blink of an eye.
Exalted is the orthodoxy, and all else falls before it. [Until such time as a new cyclical orthodoxy takes hold]

Am I on the right track here?

[Farnan]

Umm... for the people that haven't noticed this satire, I think its Horatian, though I'm not sure...

[Da Skinna]

Both sides are ****ed, and both sides are ****ed up. That's pretty balanced if you ask me.

Sorry for the word usage, but it gets the point across. This whole... debacle is perpetuated because both sides are messed up and they keep messing up, with each other.

I have a lot of pity for them both, and a lot of anger for them both, but I take no sides and neither should we, because there really is no one in this thing that's "right" as they've both perpetuated the wrong.

[Fenris]

Oh well, yes it does sound from satire, but you never know, since the Drakkassleron (or whatever his name was) episode, I cannot see satire as well as before...

[sephodwyrm]

Protocols of the Elders of Zion

Is a fabricated work designed to disenfranchise Jews and legitimize their oppression, and is something that's completely rotten.

since when has suicide bombings been a method of seeking peace, or indeed, non violent?

Suicide bombings are almost unheard of until the Intifadas. But no the objective is not peace either. It is a deliberate action of struggle and retaliation. It shows the Israelis that they are not dealing with this problem in the ease of how the National Socialists dealt with their own citizens.

[Fenris]

Suicide bombings are almost unheard of until the Intifadas.

Until the second intifada, no?

[sephodwyrm]

Erm, I think you have a better idea since you can check while I have to eat brunch.