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    Hello guys, as the releasing date gets closer, things look much better in Attila Total War. However I've detected many ridiculous mistakes that should not exist in such a game. I (want to believe) that CA is working with professional advisers for the designing team. But it looks like some the desings in the games are too superficial like the clothing and armours for Sassanids suck. There was even a type of cavalry which the riders are wearing Saudi Arabian headwear.

    Actually I have already seen many topics that some fans shared the inaccuracies that they have detected. But I see there is no one debating about the clothing of Huns. I'm really not satisfied with the armor stuff that Attila wears, looks totally inaccurate and moreover it doesn't fit to a ruler coz it looks very cheap.



    Other than the armor and clothing, I've noticed that the sword that Attila is carrying looks like bronze age swords of Celts or some bronze age swords from Manchuria and Korea which someone basically can not use at 4th or 5th centuries. And it's too short in lenght for that age as well.

    Sword from ancient Korean Mahan Confederacy (probably 1st century AD)



    Swords from Korean Puyo State in Manchuria (1st or 2nd century AD)






    I think the Hunnic swords of that era would resemlbe Germanic swords since they were under Germanic influence and probably they would combine it with their own mastery. In addition, they might have used ring pommeled swords. This kind of sword was used by Sarmatians before the arrival of Huns as well and it is a very hot debate that what is the root of these ring shaped pommels coz early Chinese have used it as well. After the disappearance of the people called Sarmatians from the history of steppe, ring-pommeled swords stayed in use over a very vast territory from Iran to China, up to the 8th century...

    Sarmatian ring pommeld swords:


    Chinese Han Dynasty swords:


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    That's whats in the game files is labelled either as an easten or nomadic Sword
    I think they made him a little to much fantasy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linke View Post
    That's whats in the game files is labelled either as an easten or nomadic Sword
    I think they made him a little to much fantasy
    Yep steppe_sword_02 I think? it is in rome 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hae_Shin View Post
    There was even a type of cavalry which the riders are wearing Saudi Arabian headwear.

    There is no way in gods earth that the Eqal is "Saudi Arabian".

    Saudi Arabia came about following the Arab Revolt when the al-Saud tribe from the Nejd region conquered most of the Arabian peninsula, they even attempted to take Kuwait but failed.

    They massacred the inhabitants and force-converted the people to the teachings of Abdel-Wahhab and to this day the people of Hijaz resent the Nejdis and the state of Saudi Arabia.

    Eqal was worn by all nomadic Arabs, the black rope on top was used to tie camels to posts and was worn by Arabs all the way from Eastern Egypt to East Anatolia.
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    Thank you for correcting, friend. You're right indeed. But wish you could share your thoughts on the debate as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hae_Shin View Post
    Thank you for correcting, friend. You're right indeed. But wish you could share your thoughts on the debate as well.
    For the most part I agree with you, Attila's sword in the game looks like a recycled Steppe sword from ROME 2, in fact many items have been ported over from ROME 2 including the swords that the Eastern factions use.

    However what we have seen so far I believe is all outdated from the preview build, I am hoping these are place-holders and CA will have something better by release.

    Being a nomadic culture I think it's likely that Huns also used curved swords, or swords with curved handles.

    A sword like this is often attributed to Attila and was also used by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

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    The Kiliji was also used by Turkic Eurasian peoples and the Mongols.
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    I don't know much about the Huns but here is the handle of the Charlemange sword, which by legend is a Hunnic sword held by Attila himself.

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    Full sword:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brivime View Post
    For the most part I agree with you, Attila's sword in the game looks like a recycled Steppe sword from ROME 2, in fact many items have been ported over from ROME 2 including the swords that the Eastern factions use.

    However what we have seen so far I believe is all outdated from the preview build, I am hoping these are place-holders and CA will have something better by release.

    Being a nomadic culture I think it's likely that Huns also used curved swords, or swords with curved handles.

    A sword like this is often attributed to Attila and was also used by Turks, Persians and Arabs.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    The Kiliji was also used by Turkic Eurasian peoples and the Mongols.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    I don't know much about the Huns but here is the handle of the Charlemange sword, which by legend is a Hunnic sword held by Attila himself.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Full sword:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 



    The swords you have posted are much advanced and from a very late era comparing to Attila's time. Even the sword of Charlemagne is 300 years after Attila and I guess that was a kind of proto curved sword, because Avars and Khazars have used similar curved swords as well. The Frankish Royal Annals show gift giving relations between the Anglo - Saxons and the Franks. In the Annals , Charlemagne gave King Offa an Avar sword. Notice that the Franks gave away not their own prized swords, but foreign ones, which were acquired by Charlemagne‘s son, Carloman, from the Avars. Probably, Charlemagne's sword was one of those as well. The thing I'm not sure is what is the origin of these curved swords, I guess they might be an Arabian influence since they were spreading rapidly at that ages...

    According to my first message, I think straight swords with ring pommels were more native to Huns, Bulgars, Avars and Khazars as a good exmaple we have the sword of Kubrat Khan of Bulgars:

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    As for the curved swords we have these examples, but it's impossible that Huns have used curved swords.

    Avar curved sword:

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    Khazar curved swords:

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    I'm more concerned with his hideous, piss-yellow garments.
    CA needs competition.

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    It's meant to be generic Nomad sword. They probably could've went the extra mile and gave him a special fancy sword to represent his power.

    But his costume is what bothers me far more. It seems like a cartoony depiction of East Asian armor created by somebody with no understanding of ancient China or the Huns. I don't think I like the Asiatic direction of the Huns anyway as they look too Mongol, who came almost 1,000 years later and their armor would've certainly been far different and more evolved. I don't understand where this image of Huns being proto-Mongols comes from. Yes, they shared similar weapons and tactics (notably the fact both were prolific horsemen and archers with composite bows and steppe ponies), and yes, there are some theories that the Huns are Xiongnu (who attacked China from modern Mongolia), but that doesn't mean that ancient Huns = medieval Mongols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorBatman999 View Post
    It's meant to be generic Nomad sword. They probably could've went the extra mile and gave him a special fancy sword to represent his power.

    But his costume is what bothers me far more. It seems like a cartoony depiction of East Asian armor created by somebody with no understanding of ancient China or the Huns. I don't think I like the Asiatic direction of the Huns anyway as they look too Mongol, who came almost 1,000 years later and their armor would've certainly been far different and more evolved. I don't understand where this image of Huns being proto-Mongols comes from. Yes, they shared similar weapons and tactics (notably the fact both were prolific horsemen and archers with composite bows and steppe ponies), and yes, there are some theories that the Huns are Xiongnu (who attacked China from modern Mongolia), but that doesn't mean that ancient Huns = medieval Mongols.


    Well, didn't want to mention the costume coz it's way too disappointing and it might have been already discussed in another topic. I mean even other Hunnic warriors in the game have better clothing than their leader. Isn't that strange? Plus there is nothing accurate about his costume. Not the armor, nor the tunic nor the crown. I don't know where the hell they got the idea, but it looks like nonsense nomad stereotypes in cheap movies or illustrations...

    I think I'd prefer to see some hybrid looking Huns as well as very North Asian looking guys. Coz they are far away from their homeland and there must be some Half-Asian looking guys among them. Though I liked the throat singing in the main menu theme. Throat singing might be a very old tradition coz it's very wide spread among North Asian populations.
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    Yep, the same goes for pretty much every barbarian faction. Many of them whield bronze/iron age celtic swords, instead of spatha / early viking sword types. That's ridiculous.

    Obviously, CA just took those from Rome 2, and used them in Attila to save some work. I don't expect anything from them on this, honestly. Go modders go !

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    You might find this interesting. Also read description. http://www.metmuseum.org/collection/...&tabname=label
    Also goes to show that CA haven't done their homework.

    Some Hunnic swords
    http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat65_a.txt
    http://sword-site.com/thread/207/gol...tion-era-sword

    Some Sassanid swords
    http://www.britishmuseum.org/researc...bjectid=367446
    http://sword-site.com/thread/288/sil...-sword-century
    http://sword-site.com/thread/184/sas...elled-scabbard

    Some Bazytine Swords
    http://sword-site.com/post/302
    http://sword-site.com/thread/99/byzantine-swords

    I think we can agree that Sassanid metal work was on another level.
    For more info sword-site.
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