Attila Computer & Hardware Recommendations

[SPARTAN VI]

Another question, does the case matter?? Would a certain case not be able to fit the same components in it?

Yes it matters. Most ATX cases will have the necessary screw/openings for ATX and micro-ATX motherboards (aka "mobo"), but obviously micro-ATX cases probably wont fit full sized ATX mobos. Also worth considering is the internal size and configuration. Many cases have the harddrive and optical bays that hang to the right of the mobo area. This is fine except if the space is too tight, a large video card may not clear the harddrive/optical bays. This isn't a common problem, but one that I've avoided in the past by moving harddrives to neighboring ports. Here's an example of a 8800GTX that was almost too large for its case. While we're on the subject of fit, I've also encountered issues where a heatsink fan conflicted with the placement of the powersupply and/or RAM modules. Again, not common unless you get a massive heatsink (the stock OEM heatsink should clear everything just fine).

If you can, try to track down measurements for the case as well as the larger components (e.g. GPU, aftermarket heatsink fan, etc.). Also ensure the vendor(/s) have a refund/return policy that's flexible enough should something not fit.

geforce 740m
i5 3230m
4 gb ram
runned rome 2 on low fine, never tried more
can i run attila too ? with 2x unit sizes ?

I see the 740m can pull off low/medium on R2TW at 1366x768 or 1024x768, so I'd bet you'll be in the same area if it runs at all with Attila. Can't comment on 2x unit sizes.

[SingingAntelope]

Yes it matters. Most ATX cases will have the necessary screw/openings for ATX and micro-ATX motherboards (aka "mobo"), but obviously micro-ATX cases probably wont fit full sized ATX mobos. Also worth considering is the internal size and configuration. Many cases have the harddrive and optical bays that hang to the right of the mobo area. This is fine except if the space is too tight, a large video card may not clear the harddrive/optical bays. This isn't a common problem, but one that I've avoided in the past by moving harddrives to neighboring ports. Here's an example of a 8800GTX that was almost too large for its case. While we're on the subject of fit, I've also encountered issues where a heatsink fan conflicted with the placement of the powersupply and/or RAM modules. Again, not common unless you get a massive heatsink (the stock OEM heatsink should clear everything just fine).

If you can, try to track down measurements for the case as well as the larger components (e.g. GPU, aftermarket heatsink fan, etc.). Also ensure the vendor(/s) have a refund/return policy that's flexible enough should something not fit.



I see the 740m can pull off low/medium on R2TW at 1366x768 or 1024x768, so I'd bet you'll be in the same area if it runs at all with Attila. Can't comment on 2x unit sizes.

Mm alright, well the case is going to be the hardest thing to get, as I'm not sure on measurements and stuff, but anyway thanks very much for the help! Maybe when I have built the computer, I will give you a game of any total war game

[SPARTAN VI]

Mm alright, well the case is going to be the hardest thing to get, as I'm not sure on measurements and stuff, but anyway thanks very much for the help! Maybe when I have built the computer, I will give you a game of any total war game

No worries mate. I already have all the TW games anyway. Thanks for the offer.

I wouldn't worry about fit if I were you. The components you're using are relatively standard.

[Mr.Freud]

I'll just leave this here...

source: http://gamegpu.ru/rts-/-strategii/to...-test-gpu.html

[IamOdysseus]

I'll just leave this here...

source: http://gamegpu.ru/rts-/-strategii/to...-test-gpu.html

So a 350 € graphic card like GTX only has 30 fps?? What are they thinking??

[craziii]

So a 350 € graphic card like GTX only has 30 fps?? What are they thinking??

bad optimization it seems. cpu and gpu load are both at about 50% only. This isn't exactly a brand new game by CA. it is basically a giant mod with new features on rome 2. what is causing such bad performances?

@aq I guess attila could really be my last game of the series. could be time to move on. why the hell would the game give me 30 fps but use only 50% of my hardware. that makes no ing sense except for 1 reason, bad game engine or bad coding or both.

[IamOdysseus]

bad optimization it seems. cpu and gpu load are both at about 50% only. This isn't exactly a brand new game by CA. it is basically a giant mod with new features on rome 2. what is causing such bad performances?

If the benchmark is right then there is even a worse performance than Rome II has! I rememeber seeing that with a GTX 970 you can play at 60 fps on extreme at 1920x1080. I don't know where was that but i'm sure about the numbers because it's the graphic card i'm getting very soon.

[craziii]

If the benchmark is right then there is even a worse performance than Rome II has! I rememeber seeing that with a GTX 970 you can play at 60 fps on extreme at 1920x1080. I don't know where was that but i'm sure about the numbers because it's the graphic card i'm getting very soon.

seriously, don't get 970. get a 290x tri x or pcs+ or the msi lightning(best 290x there is) for less money and you would get full 4gb vram to use. just 13 days ago, the lightning version was going for 300$ on newegg. what is your current gpu? might be better to wait till start of summer since new amd 380x n 390x cards would be out by then. even if you must get nvidia, you can probably get a 980 for 300$ by then

[craziii]

wow, didn't realize this game is a gameworks game. seeing how sli works and not cf. a 780 beating a 290x n 960 beating 290 :)))))))))))))))))

[Mr.Freud]

wow, didn't realize this game is a gameworks game. seeing how sli works and not cf. a 780 beating a 290x n 960 beating 290 ))))))))))))))))

I bet AMD is going to release Attila ready drivers soon. But still - even single gtx980 struggles with Attila ready GeForce drivers

[craziii]

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/2...ila/3#pagehead nope it seems the game is just very poorly optimized, same problem as rome 2. but with NV gpus getting a min of 15% to 50% max (that is freaking huge) edge. I guess we know which gpu brand they worked on. check the gpu and cpu rendering times. Damn, horrible coding I guess? with such low fps, you would expect bottle neck at one or both, not 50% load.

I really don't have the patience for 1 more year of patches.

[alQamar]

http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/2...ila/3#pagehead nope it seems the game is just very poorly optimized, same problem as rome 2. but with NV gpus getting a min of 15% to 50% max (that is freaking huge) edge. I guess we know which gpu brand they worked on. check the gpu and cpu rendering times. Damn, horrible coding I guess? with such low fps, you would expect bottle neck at one or both, not 50% load.

I really don't have the patience for 1 more year of patches.

Well very recently I was able to make an evidence that 1 year of patches did not sustainably improved the problems crazii.

Have a look at the peformance comparison in my signature. At least this is valid for my quite good computer and Nvidia.

[SPARTAN VI]

Is ultra quality the new maximum setting? (edit) Yes, ultra is the new maximum. It was "extreme" in R2TW. I've got 2x GTX 770 2GBs in SLI, so hoping it pegs somewhere around a GTX 980 and obviously under the SLI 780s.

Also not surprised to see the performance discrepancy in nvidia vs. AMD GPUs. Warscape has historically favored nvidia hardware.

[alQamar]

Hey splenyi and all the other guys, based on the benchmarks do you really think that this thread has a future if even good rigs cannot afford to play this game maxed out at 1080p? This is really nasty.

If the benchmark is right then there is even a worse performance than Rome II has! I rememeber seeing that with a GTX 970 you can play at 60 fps on extreme at 1920x1080. I don't know where was that but i'm sure about the numbers because it's the graphic card i'm getting very soon.

Actually on a rig containing an i5 Dev Canyon (OC 4.4), 8 GB 2300 MHz DDR3, 970 GTX, which I've recommended Noif the Boldemoze, he had 56 fps at 1080p and maxed out settings in the benchmark of Rome 2. I believe very much those benchmarks are valid because Attila has higher requirements (compare Steam Store), has more graphical intense features (fires, real antialiasing) etc. Still I am shocked.

[Totalheadache]

Well I did warn you!

Nah thread is still good for its help and info..

p.s I recommend a 970 as well..great cards!

[craziii]

to all readers of this thread, if you must get a maxwell, wait a few months and get the 980 in june for 300$. never upgrade at the end of a cycle, especially when the next cycle offers like 50%(380x, 390x) increase in performance. you are gonna kick yourself for listening to super bad advice coming from the likes of post #118.

[Totalheadache]

to all readers of this thread, if you must get a maxwell, wait a few months and get the 980 in june for 300$. never upgrade at the end of a cycle, especially when the next cycle offers like 50%(380x, 390x) increase in performance. you are gonna kick yourself for listening to super bad advice coming from the likes of post #118.

sorry super bad advice? and you know diddly squat re 380x/390x...unless ofc you like to swallow amd hype...

I "recommend" a 970 based on my own personal experience. How is that bad advice? Of course if you can wait for new cards....wait and then make an informed decision. I have never said otherwise. But if you are in the market now as we speak i'd recommend a 970 over it's amd counterparts anyday of the week...

[Achilleslastand]

sorry super bad advice? and you know diddly squat re 380x/390x...unless ofc you like to swallow amd hype...

I "recommend" a 970 based on my own personal experience. How is that bad advice? Of course if you can wait for new cards....wait and then make an informed decision. I have never said otherwise. But if you are in the market now as we speak i'd recommend a 970 over it's amd counterparts anyday of the week...

Im looking to upgrade my HD7870 and have been looking at the 970,s as well as the R290 series. Why would you recommend a 970 over the AMD? More powerful card? Less power consumption?

[Totalheadache]

Im looking to upgrade my HD7870 and have been looking at the 970,s as well as the R290 series. Why would you recommend a 970 over the AMD? More powerful card? Less power consumption?

Well I have always been with nvidia pretty much. Less headaches

(i have tried amd over the yrs).

I just think they shade it in the driver/support area. Plus tend to run quieter and cooler. I have an msi 970 and previously had a 580 with a waterblock and due to how good the cooler is I dont need to install a waterblock on the 970!

(which i suppose my cpu loves as its on water all by itself...overkill I know).

[SPARTAN VI]

sorry super bad advice? and you know diddly squat re 380x/390x...unless ofc you like to swallow amd hype...

I "recommend" a 970 based on my own personal experience. How is that bad advice? Of course if you can wait for new cards....wait and then make an informed decision. I have never said otherwise. But if you are in the market now as we speak i'd recommend a 970 over it's amd counterparts anyday of the week...

Ditto, the R9 290x and GTX 970 trade blows from game to game, but from a pure numbers perspective, and the fact that we're discussing Total War after all, I'd have to give it to the GTX 970 for the slightly superior Warscape engine performance. In reality, given the margin, you'd have to ask yourself if the price difference (if any) is worth the 30% performance difference (which will hopefully trim with new AMD drivers).