Why CA should add the Bulgarians(Bulgars) as a horde starting Faction as a FLC or DLC

[FrozenmenSS]

.... and adding the Bulgars into the game as historical accurate to the time period can fix the problems. Even Youtubers mentions the problem. Even the maguars are mentioned as not part of this time period. Like oakley Hi def - he got 35 000+ subs on youtube.

So many Empty spots/lands/regions for just 1 more Faction on the map ...The Bulgars... just north of the Caucasus Mountains.The Bulgars fit that place perfectly to start the game in Horde Mode. filling the gaping hole with no factions the Campaign map there.

My starting tread about adding The Bulgars.Why CA should add the Bulgarians(Bulgars) as a horde starting Faction as a FLC or DLC.Religion,Short notes about their History,real name.,Unit Rouster,Starting posision on the campaign map - and maps of their migrations ,Multiplayer.Uniqueness in the Multiplayer,Diplomatic Relations, some of the Diplomatic Bonuses and the List of its Rulers and names for some the generals.
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...s-a-FLC-or-DLC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDhLoyqYO40 Oakley Hi def's Video

[RedGuard]

.... and adding the Bulgars into the game as historical accurate to the time period can fix the problems. Even Youtubers mentions the problem. Even the maguars are mentioned as not part of this time period.

So many Empty spots/lands/regions for just 1 more Faction on the map ...The Bulgars... just north of the Caucasus Mountains.The Bulgars fit that place perfectly to start the game in Horde Mode. filling the gaping hole with no factions the Campaign map there.

but the magyars had a much more significant impact on history than the bulgars

[Darios]

but the magyars had a much more significant impact on history than the bulgars

I don't know about that...Bulgaria was a superpower between the 7th and 10th centuries AD.

[RedGuard]

I don't know about that...Bulgaria was a superpower between the 7th and 10th centuries AD.

yeah but were they dacian or goth?

[FrozenmenSS]

yeah but were they dacian or goth?

THey Came from Cental Asia into Europe in the late 2nd Century.The leading theory is that They Came From Baktria. - Modern Afganistan

[FrozenmenSS]

but the magyars had a much more significant impact on history than the bulgars

The magyars came into europe inn the late 890s thans to an older defeat from the First Bulgarian Empire and they were driven from the steppes of the Steppes near the Black Sea.They Did nothing till the late 8-9th Century. 500 years after the Attila's times. The Bulgars were part of the Hunnic Confederation together with the Ostrogoths,Gepids,Alans and so on.
THe First Bulgariann empire Saved Europe From the Arrabs in 718 by killing th Besieging Arab 200 000 army with just 15 000 Bulgarian Cavalry. The Bulgarian Khan Tervel just like karm Martel went into Legend for their Deads.The same Ruller Concured Constantinopol in 705 and put into the Threone the puppet Ruller Justilian the 2nd. And so on and so on.

So before talking stupid stuff without cheking the Real things will lead to Laughter at your posts...




Btw there are plans adding the Bulgars as playable with mods, it may be A reskin Mod to some of the existing Factions or adding Enntirely new Faction in Horde mode. the Future will Tell.

[Darios]

yeah but were they dacian or goth?

By the time Bulgaria became an empire they had become heavily Slavicized. Ironically, if CA goes along the path of making the Magyars into another horse archer steppe tribe then they will be making a pretty significant mistake. During the 4-5th century the Magyars were settled people, inhabiting the forests near the Ural Mountains. Only in the 7th century did they migrate southwards, encounter the Khazars and other Turkic tribes and became a nomadic cavalry-based culture.

You might not have ever heard of this term but its called gameplay... Which in some cases should come first. Who cares if they are there a few year later... Some here can really complain about anything. I personally like and in many playthroughs I have Seen the Suebians move to Portugal and Spain. I really like it the the Suebians start in the WRE and that you have to deal with this right away.

Yeah I am fully aware of this. It's designed to put pressure on the Western Roman Empire though they could have still placed the Suebi east of the Rhine, adjacent to the Roman frontier. It would have been a fine compromise between gameplay and history. I very much hope that the horde factions will follow their historical migration patterns.

[ShadowMassa]

Looks like the Sabirs are starting in-game around what would be modern Atyrau and West Kazakhstan provinces, and the Maygars in what would be modern Bashkortostan and Orenburg Oblast. The Urals should be visible on the in-game map. There would be room for the Bulghars as a migrating faction somewhere southwest of the Maygars and Sabirs.

[EmperorBatman999]

If there are Magyars, then certainly shouldn't there be Pechenegs and Cumans too? This is nothing to say of the Avars, who came before the Magyars. Now truth be told, I don't know much about Dark Age steppe migrations. This entire time period up until the final Magyar invasion in the late 9th century seems to be a chaotic blur of horsemen of various tribes sweeping over and dumping themselves into the Balkans and Carpathian regions.

I do agree that Bulgars most certainly should be in the game. Perhaps they might get representation as special units in the Hunnic faction? Maybe the Bulgars are merely emergent?

[FrozenmenSS]

If there are Magyars, then certainly shouldn't there be Pechenegs and Cumans too? This is nothing to say of the Avars, who came before the Magyars. Now truth be told, I don't know much about Dark Age steppe migrations. This entire time period up until the final Magyar invasion in the late 9th century seems to be a chaotic blur of horsemen of various tribes sweeping over and dumping themselves into the Balkans and Carpathian regions.

I do agree that Bulgars most certainly should be in the game. Perhaps they might get representation as special units in the Hunnic faction? Maybe the Bulgars are merely emergent?

Here are the waves of the Nomadic Migrations From Asia into Europe

1)Bulgars - Huns - Historians cant be sure still who was First From them in the 2-rd-3th-4th Century.The Bulgars Reached the Northern Caucasus steppes
2)Avars - 5th Cenntury - went to Pannonia - making the Bulgars their Vassals
3)Bulgars - 7th Century they Migrated in 5 Directions.
1st small to Armenia,
2nd went North To the Volga River big numbers,
3rd Went to Pannonia to be with the avars but stayed for short and went into the Eastern Roman Empire as Federati in Macedonia in the 680s - Big numbers .10 000 went into Souther Italy unter the Rule of the Londards.
4th and BThe Biggest with numbers of 500 000 + people went south And Started a War with The Eastern Roman Empire and took Moesia Province in 681.Thiss Group + the 3rd group Formed the First Bulgarian Empire .

4)Khazares - 7th Century - they were the reason that the Bulgars went west and took the lands just north of the Caucasus mountains
5)Maguars - 8-9th Century.In the 890-900 period they went to Pannonia from the Steppes just north of the Black Sea.
6)Pecheneges - they were the reason for the Maguars migration.They lived in the the Steppes just north of the Black Sea till the 1100s and were asimilated by the bulgarians.
7)Cummans - They lived in the the Steppes just north of the Black Sea till the 1300s when the mongols Came and they were asimilated by the bulgarians.
7)Mongols/Tartars after the 1220s when they Destroyed the Volga Bulgarian Kingdom

[ShadowMassa]

I do agree, the Bulgars would of been a better choice, at least some units like you said. What about the Bastarnae or even the Caledonians at this time ?

[Maximinus Thrax]

So many Empty spots/lands/regions for just 1 more Faction on the map ...The Bulgars... just north of the Caucasus Mountains.The Bulgars fit that place perfectly to start the game in Horde Mode. filling the gaping hole with no factions the Campaign map there.

Since the Bulgars don't appear to be on the faction list, I've created a separate thread to discuss about their possible inclusion in the game.

[bulgarpride]

Since the Bulgars don't appear to be on the faction list, I've created a separate thread to discuss about their possible inclusion in the game.

Can you please give a link to the thread

[Gäiten]

Neither Bulgars nor Magyars fit into the historical context and era setting of Attila TW.
The Kidarites and Hephtalites would be a much better choice and would fill the void of the Eastern regions (and so giving the Sassanians much needed headaches.

[tat501]

This thread again??? Really? There are loads more factions that might have gone into the game but they haven't. Why does it really matter? It looks like its going to be lots of fun as it is - you can put EVERYTHING in for historical accuracy and whatever tribe they did miss out I'm sure some fanboy would be up here all butthurt about it.

[fizy45]

It may disturb some Bulgar fans but you guys realy should read history.The Bulgars were a tribe which was led by the son of the Atilla so its not logical to put them while Atilla is still alive.Even the word of Bulgar comes from the word of "Bulgurlanma" or "Bulgarlanma" it means "karışmak" in Turkish and being mixed in English.

After the death of Atilla one of his sons take some part of the tribe and go settle on somewhere along the Black Sea coast.They got mixed with other tribes there and thats why their name represents beign mixed with someone.Their ancestory includes slavic,hunnic and some other cultures.

[FrozenmenSS]

Neither Bulgars nor Magyars fit into the historical context and era setting of Attila TW.
The Kidarites and Hephtalites would be a much better choice and would fill the void of the Eastern regions (and so giving the Sassanians much needed headaches.

It may disturb some Bulgar fans but you guys realy should read history.The Bulgars were a tribe which was led by the son of the Atilla so its not logical to put them while Atilla is still alive.Even the word of Bulgar comes from the word of "Bulgurlanma" or "Bulgarlanma" it means "karışmak" in Turkish and being mixed in English.

After the death of Atilla one of his sons take some part of the tribe and go settle on somewhere along the Black Sea coast.They got mixed with other tribes there and thats why their name represents beign mixed with someone.Their ancestory includes slavic,hunnic and some other cultures.

No Guys,you should Read read all the info From the Thread in The CÁ's main Forums that I posted. You are Totaly wrong about the Turkish link. The Bulgarians them came out of Baktia - im talking about the Baktrian origin Theory - from the lands of todays western Afganistan..The Bulgarians were already there and documented just north of the Caucasus Mountains since the 2-3th century.The Romans,Amernians and so on wrote about this at that time.They joined the Hunic confederation just like the Ostrogoths,Gepis,parts off the alans and So on out of Fear from the Huns.
http://forums.totalwar.com/showthrea...s-a-FLC-or-DLC - Giving the link again to the Thread.

This is just my feadback to CA about adding the Bulgarians(Bulgars) into Attila TW - if not in Day 1 when the game comes out,then as a FLC or DLC and why they were important in this time period - where should be their starting posision o the campaign map,unit rouster,religion, Uniqueness in multiplayer and so on.
Im using information from 16 Siencetific Historical Literature works from sources from Modern Azerbaijan,Russia,Armenia,Greece, Bulgaria and so on. from 3 Generations of Historians.
I dont want to see this thread turned into a largely modern day nationalist/political thread with a bit of personal insult thrown in.So pls lets see the Facts first and talk about it later.Ok? Thanks for your time taken reading all the info. i will be Glad that CA takes this into acount when making Attila TW.

So Tell that to those 3+ Generations of Historians that they werent in the Game's time period.

LITERATURE used
1. At. Stamatov - Tempora incognita early Bulgarian history, 1997.
2. Pl. Pavlov - SERDIKA In the history of the First Bulgarian Kingdom.
3. P. Goliyski - Bulgarians in the Caucasus and Armenia (II-X century), 2006.
4. P. Goliyski - Bulgarians and their long way from Tien Shan to Europe magazine. Bulgarians in Austria, 2007.
5. R. Zlatev - Bulgarian traces in Azerbaijan Scientific University of Rousse, 2010, Volume 49.
6. P. Dobrev - Proto. Origin, language, culture, 1991.
7. Latin sources for the Bulgarian history. T. 1, 1958.
8. Moses Horenatzi - History Armenii, Yerevan, 1990.
9. P. Petrov - Formation of the Bulgarian State, 1981.
10. P. Petrov, V. Gyuzelev - Reader in the history of Bulgaria. T. 1, 1978.
11. Vardaped Gevond - History Halifov, SPB, 1862.
12. Ts. Stepanov - Power and authority in Early Mediaeval Bulgaria (VII - ср. IX c.), 1999.
13. A. Burmov - on the history of the Bulgars, Selected Works, T. I, 1968.
14. Greek sources for the Bulgarian history. S. 4, 1961.
15. C. Gyuzelev - known in Armenian sources of the medieval history of Bulgaria, 1966, vol. 1.
16. MI Artamonov - "History of Gambling" Leningrad 1962.

Since the Bulgars don't appear to be on the faction list, I've created a separate thread to discuss about their possible inclusion in the game.

Thanks for your understanding Maximinus Thrax



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vN_UjY3W0A#t=252

Day 1 FLC suprise For Attila TW?????? Warrior of sparta's youtuber Hint. I hope it will be the Bulgarians.I Hope CA Took my feadback while making the Game.
Just like Pontus day 1 FLC for Rome 2?????

We will see next week.

[LEGIO_XXX ULPIA]

bulgars...athenians...another one?

...my God...

[Rostam_e_Iran]

Lets assume they came from Bactria, that makes them Iranian people.........?
I hardly know anything about the Bulgar and hardly heard of them. Were they significant at the time, in terms of activity?

[LinusLinothorax]

Lets assume they came from Bactria, that makes them Iranian people.........?
I hardly know anything about the Bulgar and hardly heard of them. Were they significant at the time, in terms of activity?

Check out the first link Frozenman gave and you will know everything what you have to.