ERE look a little too hard?

[dr_kalinium]

From gameplay I've seen and some commentary it appears the ERE always loses Greece which seems really unhistorical. I wouldn't mind if they lost for a few years and recovered control but all of it to the Goths seems stupid. I was hoping that playing against a Roman faction would feel like a really awesome challenge trying to take down mighty Rome, but this doesn't seem the case at all, for some reason CA thinks the Roman Empire of 395 was already in dire straits.

[AnthoniusII]

The problem is the unhistorical start of a horde in the hard of Greek penisulla!
Barbarian Invasion had much more accurate positions! I hope developers will re-consider and make few changes in this matter as well!

[MathiasOfAthens]

The problem is the unhistorical start of a horde in the hard of Greek penisulla!
Barbarian Invasion had much more accurate positions! I hope developers will re-consider and make few changes in this matter as well!

Problem is that Greece is one region. One city to take all of Greece. Like how you only had to conquer paris to conquer france in ETW.

[AnthoniusII]

Problem is that Greece is one region. One city to take all of Greece. Like how you only had to conquer paris to conquer france in ETW.

No Greece is not a region...you think it is...its just that CA members thought that Greece was a province of Spain and simply moved a couple of cities there! Who needs another Greek province?
Spain had more historical role that time in human history according to CA!! Who cares about Greece???? Who cares about history! After all CA expects that the majority of its customers will be from west europe! Every one wishes to keep his homeland under roman civilisation ingame! So who realy needs Greece???

[RGA]

So who realy needs Greece???

I myself don't care about Greece. It's a game about Migration age and not Peleponnesian wars. There are 3 cities in Greece, plus another in Cyprus. That's more than enough. People who are so obsessed with such backwater regions should play game on printed map.

[MathiasOfAthens]

I myself don't care about Greece. It's a game about Migration age and not Peleponnesian wars. There are 3 cities in Greece, plus another in Cyprus. That's more than enough. People who are so obsessed with such backwater regions should play game on printed map.

Let me attack you first before Anthonius hears what you said.

3 cities in Greece. Wow... Greece is Thessaly, Attica, and the Peloponnese. Thessaloniki is Macedonia. And the other city Dyrrachium or whatever it is now is not even Greek.


Its a game about Migration so... with that logic lets remove all the regions in Africa and Arabia. Nobody migrated there.

Backwater? Greece was the most prosperous and advanced region in the Rome Empire. It was no backwater. Africa was a backwater. But that is in the game. The logic is stupid. CA just sucks at making campaign maps. Refusing to put enough regions into their campaigns. So you play the same a hundred times and get bored and buy the next game.

Oh yes they should definitely plunder some of Greece its just the fact that it appears the ERE appears powerless to stop them, I have also heard from previews that the sassanids tend to roll them which clearly isn't accurate either. Also on the subject of starting positions the Huns are in an odd place too.

Well... what is inaccurate is that there is only one region in Greece so what that is gone ERE will lose a lot of income. Plus the goths will prob sack all the other cities in the balkans eliminating massive amounts of wealth making it impossible for the ERE to recover to hold back the Persians.

[LEGIO_XXX ULPIA]

I myself don't care about Greece. It's a game about Migration age and not Peleponnesian wars. There are 3 cities in Greece, plus another in Cyprus. That's more than enough. People who are so obsessed with such backwater regions should play game on printed map.

No RGA. We waaaannnnt Sparta!!!!! Athens...Leonidas...and Themistocles!!! All this cities are very very important in V century...So CA...please...we can't play with Attila without 7-8 poleis...please!!!


LOL! please! Stop this eternal rant!

[Nelfe]

I agree with AnthoniusII, the starting position of Ostrogoth & Wisigoth are historically inaccurate.

However, it's normal to see them plunder Greece. I hope that they will only plunder the cities and not conquer them (or less frequently).

[dr_kalinium]

Oh yes they should definitely plunder some of Greece its just the fact that it appears the ERE appears powerless to stop them, I have also heard from previews that the sassanids tend to roll them which clearly isn't accurate either. Also on the subject of starting positions the Huns are in an odd place too.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Then the ERE player gotta put up a fight, instead of relaying on hidden boost from CA.

[Aenar]

At least, it'll put the east roman player in a historical position. I mean, the strategic position of the East Romans has always been a pity, and they have never been able to put up enough of a fight on both fronts at a time. I ain't that much in Late Antiquity anymore, so I can't really judge if the starting position of both Goths factions is historical or not ; let's just assume you guys know what you're doing here, and that they aren't.
But still, their presence in the Balkans right from the start will force the East Roman player :
1) to intensively use diplomacy to keep some enemies at bay while he deals with the others elsewhere. Which is pretty accurate. Let's just hope diplomacy works well, but it looks like it does, from the preview videos I've been watching.
2) to experience what it feels like to have barbarians, both on the frontier and within the empire. From what I can remember, that's how it happened indeed with the wisigoths, resulting in the sack of Rome in 401 : Romans hire barbarians as mercenaries, those barbarians want more gold, the Emperor says nope and then the barbarians plunder the country, crushing roman armies on the way. Although it hasn't always been the case, and the imperial armies has had some successes, still having barbarians beyond the frontier with mighty forces waiting just for them in Thrace wouldn't make much sense either. You'd merely crush them on the first 10 turns and be quiet on that front.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

If the startdate is 395 isn't Alaric then not just proclaimed king and is he razing Greece?

[Doe3000]

I think in 395 Alaric launched a failed attempt to attack Constantinople. Afterwards in 396 he and his Visigothic army attacked Greece and sacked the port of Piraeus, before moving on to ransack Corinth, Megara, Argos and Sparta. So technically the situation isn't as historically inaccurate as it seems.

[MathiasOfAthens]

I think in 395 Alaric launched a failed attempt to attack Constantinople. Afterwards in 396 he and his Visigothic army attacked Greece and sacked the port of Piraeus, before moving on to ransack Corinth, Megara, Argos and Sparta. So technically the situation isn't as historically inaccurate as it seems.

Yeah because none of those regions, except corinth, are on the map.

[RGA]

Yeah because none of those regions, except corinth, are on the map.

So what? The flame of war engulfed the whole Europe with thousands of cities and villages. That the said cities were sacked ONCE does not qualify their place on the game's map. I never understand why some people are so stubborn to add as many insignificant cities as possible in that tiny piece of land called Greece. What's the point of having 3 cities so close to each other that they could be conquered one after another in the same turn?

It is a game and gameplay should take priority over minute details as such.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

The flame of war engulfed the whole Europe with thousands of cities and villages.

You are totaly into the gamesetting

[Sebor]

From what I have noticed when the AI is playing ERE Greece does get sacked. But after that the hordes go west as that is where their victory goals are. So yes the ERE loses Greece but that is just a small part of their territory. Whether they survive in a playthrough depends on if they go to war with the Sassanids (and vice versa). Since they probably will go to war with each other quite early on I guess in most playthroughs the ERE is doomed to fail. But I guess we will see. IF the Sassanids get attacked well from the north by the Sabirs and Maygars as well as experience civil unrest and their puppet states declaring war on each other (which seems to be the case) than the ERE might have a chance.

I Guess it is a wait and see.

[Flavius Julius Nepos Augustus]

their puppet states declaring war on each other (which seems to be the case)

Tell me that that isn't true

Attila`s Sassanids ... the horror, the horror ...

'All you had to do was fix the damn game CA!'

[Noif de Bodemloze]

Well... Begin is hard on ERE but it is not impossible. Like Dogbert CA did, he sent all his armies from East-front to Greece and killed all immigration faction.

[Butan]

You done did it RGA, Anthonius gonna hate you forever

I still think that Greece should have kept its R2 partitionning, which would have meant +1 region (not far from what we have in Attila). Those regions may have lost importance but not their population/area and classic culture!