In need of some assistance - Re-emerging factions

[Venetus]

I made a working script for re-emerging factions and made a test with Arverni.
This is how it went:
-conquered their only province and kill all their characters.
-got a message 'Faction destroyed' and 'People in flight' although they don't exist on map.
-they emerged when their former capital became unhappy

Will I encounter any CTD's or game-mechanic errors because of this ?
Also... when adding traits, should I add 'Factionleader' trait ?

• campaign_script.txt:

;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------f_arverni----------------------------------
declare_counter arvernirebel
set_counter arvernirebel 0


declare_counter arverniemerge
set_counter arverniemerge 0


monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName sett_024
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni < 1
and SettlementLoyaltyLevel < loyalty_content
and I_CompareCounter arvernirebel = 0
and I_TurnNumber > 0
set_counter arvernirebel 1
end_monitor


monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName sett_025
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni < 1
and SettlementLoyaltyLevel < loyalty_content
and I_CompareCounter arvernirebel = 0
and I_TurnNumber > 0
set_counter arvernirebel 1
end_monitor


monitor_event SettlementTurnStart SettlementName sett_026
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni < 1
and SettlementLoyaltyLevel < loyalty_content
and I_CompareCounter arvernirebel = 0
and I_TurnNumber > 0
set_counter arvernirebel 1
end_monitor


;--------------------------------------------------------------Region Aruernselua
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType slave
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni < 1
and I_CompareCounter arvernirebel = 1
and I_CompareCounter arverniemerge = 0
and RandomPercent < 90
spawn_army
faction f_arverni
character random_name, named character, x 87, y 196, family
traits NaturalIntelligence 2 , NaturalCharisma 2 , NaturalEnergy 2 , Temperament 2 , Selflessness 2 , LoyaltyLevel 4 , CelticArverni 1 , EthnoDetermined 1 , GoodLeader 1 , PoliticsSkill 1 , AncillariesAvailable 1 , FirstBorn 1
unit celtic cavalry donno eporedoi exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic cavalry leuce epos exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic cavalry leuce epos exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic cavalry curepos exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic cavalry curepos exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry bataroas exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry solduros exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry solduros exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry solduros exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry gaesatae exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry gaesatae exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry gaesatae exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry iaosatae exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit celtic infantry iaosatae exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
end
set_counter arverniemerge 1
add_money f_arverni 30000
end_monitor


monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType slave
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni >= 1
set_counter arverniemerge 0
set_counter arvernirebel 0
end_monitor
;--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

• descr_sm_factions.txt

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


faction f_arverni, spawned_on_event
culture cul_5
religion rel_e
symbol models_strat/symbol_f_arverni.CAS
rebel_symbol models_strat/symbol_f_arverni_rebel.CAS
primary_colour red 113, green 125, blue 81
secondary_colour red 113, green 125, blue 81
loading_logo loading_screen/symbols/symbol128_f_arverni.tga
standard_index 17
logo_index FACTION_LOGO_F_ARVERNI
small_logo_index SMALL_FACTION_LOGO_F_ARVERNI
triumph_value 5
custom_battle_availability yes
horde_min_units 10
horde_max_units 20
horde_max_units_reduction_every_horde 10
horde_unit_per_settlement_population 250
horde_min_named_characters 2
horde_max_percent_army_stack 80
horde_disband_percent_on_settlement_capture 0
horde_unit celtic cavalry donno eporedoi
horde_unit celtic cavalry leuce epos
horde_unit celtic cavalry curepos
horde_unit celtic infantry bataroas
horde_unit celtic infantry solduros
horde_unit celtic infantry gaesatae
horde_unit celtic infantry iaosatae
can_sap yes
prefers_naval_invasions yes
can_have_princess no
has_family_tree teutonic
;;can_build_siege_towers no

[Venetus]

I forgot to add that the Arverni army that re-emerged went to Spain and took 1 province from Celtiberians.

[anonimo272]

i dont think these messages will cause ctds in my experience they never did even when they shouldn't appear
anyway you want a army to spawn if one of these 3 settlements rebels (from another faction and provided that the averni are dead) is that correct ?
by the way does the stack spawn outside a settlement ? if so it's not reemerging a faction it's a horde faction that you created and it can wander around quite a lot

[Venetus]

I'm glad I don't have to worry about these messages.

An army spawns if one of these settlements is unhappy (in game: Yellow, blue or red icon for happiness. Green won't spawn an army.) and would probably also spawn if Rebel faction controled that town. It triggered only once when that faction had no settlements. Once it settles the trigger resets back to normal. The same will happen the next time when faction is destroyed.

It did wonder around quite a lot (6 turns IIRC) and then settled in Spain.

[V.T. Marvin]

Cool! If this truly works, it would be a great improvement over our current implementation of hordes. Good job!

[b0Gia de Bodemloze]

You are going to do this for all 28 factions?

[Venetus]

You are going to do this for all 28 factions?

Yes, that's the plan. It can even be done for Rebel faction, but luckily there's no need since they own settlements that are unreachable.

The only thing that bothers me is (if we wan't this to work) that all factions must have hording enabled, which is quite ahistorical. And we all know what EB is all about.
E.g.: Rome becomes a horde if it owns zero settlements and has at least one named character still alive.

EDIT: I've just realized that it'd be good if we had two(or more) named characters re-emerging. So that the script doesn't get ignored when a faction has no settlements and no characters.
The other solution is:


monitor_event CeasedFactionLeader FactionType f_arverni
and I_NumberOfSettlements f_arverni < 1


set_counter arverniemerge 0
set_counter arvernirebel 0


end_monitor

The original author of this script had this lines included and now I know why

[anonimo272]

if you enable the horde mecanic then i am afraid the limit still is in place (in case you don't know theres a limit to how many factions can horde, after x factions that hordes the x+1 won't)
anyway horde behaviour for some factions is not realistic and there are better ways to reemerge factions, such as spawning armies in cities, so they aren't hordes (check sship: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Other-Features )

[Venetus]

if you enable the horde mecanic then i am afraid the limit still is in place (in case you don't know theres a limit to how many factions can horde, after x factions that hordes the x+1 won't)
anyway horde behaviour for some factions is not realistic and there are better ways to reemerge factions, such as spawning armies in cities, so they aren't hordes (check sship: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Other-Features )

I didn't know that there's a limit for that.
Yes, the building script from SS6.4 suites much better for some (well most in our case) factions. IIRC, origin of SS6.4 script is the script I try to re-do. But I find it to complex for my scripting knowledge. Will have a look at it one more time.
link:http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...-2-2014-update

[anonimo272]

i tried too but it was too complex for me too,theres guides about it but if you don't make everything 100% equal it may cause some problems thats why i much prefer to know what i am doing...
perhaps one day...

[PlayerOne]

A few weeks ago I used this tutorial to create re-emerging factions. The files necessary to accomplish this are attached. Just copy and paste the sections into the relevant files.

campaign_script.txt
export_buildings.txt
export_descr_buildings.txt
historic_events.txt

I have only tested this to check the script works. I do not know how the computer acts once it has re-emerged. Furthermore there will likely be faults with this script, but hopefully no glaring ones. Feel free to use these files however you like.
Thanks

[anonimo272]

i believe the computer will act as it did before being eliminated (i mean CAI wise)
this week i will incorporate into my version of eb to see if everything works and if it hasn't errors
i believe the eb team should add playerone script to the base mod +rep

[Venetus]

Thank you PlayerOne. Testing begins.........now.
One question about script errors, they are all reported in logs\M2TW.system.log, right?

[anonimo272]

Thank you PlayerOne. Testing begins.........now.
One question about script errors, they are all reported in logs\M2TW.system.log, right?

amazing as soon as you can tell us the results
EB2 is getting better by the day ;p

[Venetus]

amazing as soon as you can tell us the results
EB2 is getting better by the day ;p

Will do. Right now I'm having trouble merging the files. Will try again tomorrow. However, I did have a look at campaign_script.txt and I must say that it is quite easy to understand.

[MIKE GOLF]

Not sure how many factions you can make have the horde function but for what its worth I would not have any of the 'settled' factions have this ability, Rome, Carthage, the Hellenes, and Persians, with the possible exception of Parthia. Good luck in your efforts.

[Venetus]

I would not have any of the 'settled' factions have this ability, Rome, Carthage, the Hellenes, and Persians, with the possible exception of Parthia.

Totally agree. EB default is Parthia, Suebi, Saka, Sarmatia, Lugii, Numidia, Boii and Nabatea and it should stay this way.
I've just made first test to see if script works and it does. Well, sort of . The greek faction spawned next to Athens after I got 'City riot' message. Unfortunately they also spawned in Turdetani (Carthage's colony in Spain)
The good news is that greek faction wasn't even set as being able to horde.
Now I just need to somehow test them all together.

[Venetus]

Unfortunately they also spawned in Turdetani (Carthage's colony in Spain).

Sorry, bad observation. The must have sailed there.

[anonimo272]

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greek faction spawned next to Athens

then i believe the script must be corrected, i mean the troops should spawn inside the city
just a question did the faction leadear appeared as a star in the minimap ?

[Venetus]

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then i believe the script must be corrected, i mean the troops should spawn inside the city
just a question did the faction leadear appeared as a star in the minimap ?

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Don't know if spawning units inside already garrisoned city is possible. We might get a CTD.
I wasn't paying much attention to mini-map, sorry. Will do next time.

Re-emerging script is set only for capitals and only for non-hording factions. I was wondering if it'd be better to be scripted for 3 settlements per faction. Same would be applied to hordes.