Lots of Negativity around Total War Attila

[Tuskin]

After looking at the TWCenter forum post on Total War Attila, I feel like I'm the only one who is excited for the new game. Most forum posts I've seen are Ai will be terrible, its just a Rome 2 reskin, torches are bad, I refuse to buy this game because..., new features break the game and CA is simplifying the game too much. What about new music, graphics, migration mode and more in depth politics? I can understand fans not wanting to repeat the broken launch of Rome 2 but isn't there anything positive about the game on this forum?

[agent 47]

I'd be a lot more scared personally if the attitude was positive. Maybe its too far in the other direction but that's a normal reaction really after what happened with Rome 2. The attitude will go from negative to positive if the game is good, I hope that it is but I remain skeptical. Same engine same problems as far as I'm concerned.

[GussieFinkNottle]

Everybody's still justifiably pissed off about Rome II. The game will have to speak for itself after release, but right now no one wants to be taken in by marketing hype a second time (and I think CA senses this: there is far less promotion this time).

After all 'fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.'

[Prof]

Negativity? I'm just curious about how the game will turn out...lots of possible features are being discussed on the forums, which will probably not be in, but on the other hand some will be added that I don't really like. But we will see, how it turns out.

I'll point my negativity towards the new title...I have always loved the TW series, because of its historical scenarios and I always loved conquering real places and messing around with history.

And I'm not even remotely interested in the Warhammer scenario. (I don't mean to offend any Warhammer fans with this)

[kronpas]

Many (if not most) people here will hold off their purchase　until the first reviews pop up on the Internet. I loved the series, but the recent flop of Rome II made me doubt if CA can turn such a failure around. A year is not sufficient to completely fix a complex game as TW, win which Rome II failed in BOTH design and execution.

I like the series still, but this time im not shelling out my hard earned money for a re-skinned Rome II. CA better not to disappoint me ever again.

Btw, ppl can and do vote with their wallet. Its more prominent in kickstarting scene, where the company who kickstarted Planetary Annihilation couldnt even raise half of the expected amount for their 2nd game. People were rightfully pissed off. I really hope many express the same attitude here.

[Humble Warrior]

After looking at the TWCenter forum post on Total War Attila, I feel like I'm the only one who is excited for the new game. Most forum posts I've seen are Ai will be terrible, its just a Rome 2 reskin, torches are bad, I refuse to buy this game because..., new features break the game and CA is simplifying the game too much. What about new music, graphics, migration mode and more in depth politics? I can understand fans not wanting to repeat the broken launch of Rome 2 but isn't there anything positive about the game on this forum?

It`s an extremely healthy attitude and hopefully will spur CA into making a great game instead of an R2 cheap work-around-ripp off.

The truth may hurt but it can lead to good things in the long run and be better for all.

[Linke]

I see lots of Justitified complaints about unit collision. But I dont remember complaints about that in Rome II as being one of the main game breakers at launch.

[Garensterz]

I see lots of Justitified complaints about unit collision. But I dont remember complaints about that in Rome II as being one of the main game breakers at launch.

You need to search more. That topic was piling up in the Rome 2 section. If not, I'm sure it was being discussed nonestop on the complaints thread. Yes, it is actually game breaking, since total war is a focused on real time battles. Seeing two units clash like a bunch of people wearing full of body oil that slips their way through a 10+rank of soldiers like a knife in a melted butter then snaps their way back to the center of the fight like there's no real mass happening to individual units is really a head explosion (atleast to me), but now it's not that noticeable anymore and still quite missing something in it, but still a step back from Rome 1.

[Noif de Bodemloze]

My only concern is that Attila release will be same like rome 2 that had a lot features take off, not optimized and huge bug broken game. I also go to same line with Prof. Next title "Warhammer" disappointed me totally.

[MathiasOfAthens]

After looking at the TWCenter forum post on Total War Attila, I feel like I'm the only one who is excited for the new game. Most forum posts I've seen are Ai will be terrible, its just a Rome 2 reskin, torches are bad, I refuse to buy this game because..., new features break the game and CA is simplifying the game too much. What about new music, graphics, migration mode and more in depth politics? I can understand fans not wanting to repeat the broken launch of Rome 2 but isn't there anything positive about the game on this forum?

Removal of several regions like in Greece pisses a lot of people off. The biggest complain, imo, is the campaign map because nobody can mod it.

Plus the forts still suck ass. No real fortresses. IDK what CA is planning. They could really build a real strategy game that has a lot of regions like in Europa universalis. More factions. More replayability. They could invent new features like the ability to found new regions like in Civilization. Take an army or a general and disband the army and thereby creating a town or region. Or build a fort that evolves into a town. I want permanent forts back that have different levels.

[ShadowMassa]

They should definitely release mod tools in their next up and coming titles and get the community involved again. The map stopped being moddable since Empire Total War, come on now!

[nameless]

They should definitely release mod tools in their next up and coming titles and get the community involved again. The map stopped being moddable since Empire Total War, come on now!

Uh no it hasn't. Some people were able to make a Korean Total War from Shogun 2/FOTS. Took some time but it's proof enough that it's doable.

I think the negativity has more to do with the same people complaining to want the game to fail because they enjoy it.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Uh no it hasn't. Some people were able to make a Korean Total War from Shogun 2/FOTS. Took some time but it's proof enough that it's doable.

I think the negativity has more to do with the same people complaining to want the game to fail because they enjoy it.

CA released the map editing files needed to actually edit the Shogun II map. Amazing how people still think modders manage to crack Shogun IIs warscape engine on their own. CA released some files for the map... otherwise it was impossible. Rome II has the same engine and we need the corresponding map files. Till then its impossible. Or unless someone has a lot of time to reverse engineer everything...

[Aenima]

Despite my thread I'm actually looking forward to Attila. I've not pre-ordered it and don't plan to get it until it's on sale, but nonetheless I've got good hopes for it

[EmperorBatman999]

I'm still going to remain optimistic about Attila. However, I will be more cautious next time regardless of the success of this game. I don't trust CA to make a full brand-new title, only tweaked standalone add-ons to previous ones like Napoleon or Fall of the Samurai.

[kamikazee786]

map modding tools or even a basic tutorial will not be offered by CA. If modders started to make their own campaign maps then who on earth would buy CA's crappy mini campaigns that they come out with every quarter, our modders could do a much better job and it would just defeat CA's strategy

As to the apprehension surrounding Attila, then just remember that the burnt hand teaches the best. CA has only themselves to blame for this, its not like everyone started hating them over night.

They hyped up Rome II like crazy showing all these new amazing features and then when the game came out it was less than a steaming pile of horse manure !

We must ensure that only a few people pre order from this honorable forum and then review it, i suggest modders such as dresden, mitch, gigantus as the ones to review the game after its release. Trust not the ones who have been given the preview build, im sorry, i really am to all those honest folk but i have real trust issues now after rome II

[Cope]

ATW is basically the same game as Rome II but with mildly improved campaign mechanics and updated skins.

If you didn't like Rome II (which seems to be the majority of people on this forum) then I highly doubt you'll enjoy ATW.

[Sebidee]

ATW is basically the same game as Rome II but with mildly improved campaign mechanics and updated skins.

If you didn't like Rome II (which seems to be the majority of people on this forum) then I highly doubt you'll enjoy ATW.

As well as a dozen brand new game changing features as well as improvements to basically every other part of the game. "Mildly improved mechanics" come on man.

[Cope]

As well as a dozen brand new game changing features as well as improvements to basically every other part of the game. "Mildly improved mechanics" come on man.

Name some features which are "brand new" to the franchise, just so I can reminded. I'll reserve judgement on whether they are game changing in a good way afterwards.

[Butan]

Name some features which are "brand new" to the franchise, just so I can reminded. I'll reserve judgement on whether they are game changing in a good way afterwards.

Just go here and you will see the formidable list of "changes" and "brand new" features in Attila.
While veteran TW players will mostly read reminiscing elements from past and recent TW games, the newcomer and the memory deficient will call it a new day in the age of TW history.


Sorry to break it to you Sebidee, but 90% of the really new gameplay elements in Attila are a dozen or so campaign maps UI overhaul and new buttons functions/effects (which makes the campaign part of Attila admitedly better), and the rest is indeed mild improvement in the graphical options and battle mechanics. Re-implemented features doesnt count as innovations, let it be said once and for all.