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[rez]

Premise: Radical islam fights for the creation of a theocratic superstate and an end to Western "oppression and intervention."



How they go about this business is generally a ruthless campaign that does not discriminate between civillian casualties and military casualties.



What do these religious extremists fight for?

Who has the more ridiculous ideas?

For those of you unfamiliar with the white power nationalists of the KKK and other such organisations, i recommend you check out this lovely website

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

I will reserve my judgment for now, suffice to say i hold neither up as any better than the other.

Edit: Not sure as to whether or not this should be in the mudpit, please do as you see fit mods.

[Fenris]

ok great, now let's compare Bush to Hitler

There's nothing to compare dude, because both groups have nothing in common.

[LoZz]

both groups are a bunch of bastards trying to kill each other, thats something they have in common

[Fianóglach]

I doubt you could call the KKK a Christian group, they are no more christian than I am a bloody three legged mongoose with a tattoo on my ass that reads 'sassy'. It's not a fair comparison at all, the KKK is frankly a joke in my eyes. All these inbred idiots claiming to be pure Germans, or pure nordics. Shouting support for Hitler and admiring the actions of Germans, when they themsevles have never been to Germany, don't speak German. and probably can't read at all anyways. Groups like this are harmful to real Nationalist movements that exist, and should be stamped out like a cockroach. It's a shame that they are what people think about when they hear 'white pride', they don't deserve to represent the white race, they should be thrown in a giant sack and thrown off a cliff. Come on America, if your really proud to be white, kill off these disgraceful clowns, they do you no credit and only make you look like a fanny.

[rez]

I doubt you could call the KKK a Christian group, they are no more christian than I am a bloody three legged mongoose with a tattoo on my ass that reads 'sassy'.

Yes and how many times have you heard moderate Muslims say that the extrimists are not following Islam at all?

They are both religious extremists

[Publius Clodius Pulcher]

Come on America, if your really proud to be white, kill off these disgraceful clowns, they do you no credit and only make you look like a fanny.

Then we wouldn't have all those HILARIOUS Jerry Springer episodes.

I think one of next weeks is "I killed my Brother for sleeping with my Wife/Cousin while at a Clan Meeting." Promises to be good wholesome fun for the family

[PacSubCom]

The premise is wrong.

[rez]

Would you care to elaborate on that statement?

[Stalins Ghost]

I personally believe that the KKK is the perfect example of another belief other than Islam spawning tiny minorities of extremists. I haven't got time to elaborate right now, since I've gotta get to class, but I'll try to remember to post my reasoning sometime soon (busy, busy, busy!)

[Libertine]

That site is disgusting.

[Fianóglach]

Radical Islamic groups, base their whole reason for being, on Islam, claiming that they are trying to save it from western bastardisation or some such. They talk about religion as being the reason they do everything they do, and they take up arms, and fight and die. The KKK on the other hand does not preach anything about Religion, I would venture a guess that most of them are atheists. And the KKK, while being quite a scary looking group of people doesnt actually DO anything. They talk alot about the good ole days, the civil war, and how they are going to rise again... but they don't do a God Damned thing. Radical Islam on the other hand has groups that actually do what they say they are going to do. I've read up on the history of the KKK, and the clowns that exist within it now have nothing to do with the original KKK of the early 1900s or earlier.

I read an article and I wish I could remember where because it was very interesting. It was basically about how the modern KKK is so out of touch with the 'real KKK'. and there are large amount of older KKK people who are outraged at the majority of modern members who seem to have kidnapped their organisation and started burning crosses and acting like retards. I can;t remember which magazine that article was in, but I found a website with some interesting history, and large mention about the cross burning.

http://www.kkklan.com/historical.htm

Some pretty interesting stuff there about how the KKK is being overrun by wannabes and half witted neo nazis. I for one did not know most of what I read on that site.

[MaximiIian]

Radical Islamic groups, base their whole reason for being, on Islam, claiming that they are trying to save it from western bastardisation or some such. They talk about religion as being the reason they do everything they do, and they take up arms, and fight and die. The KKK on the other hand does not preach anything about Religion, I would venture a guess that most of them are atheists.

You seem to know little of them, then. The KKK started out as a fraternal protestant organization, and they still serve as the forefront of Christian Identity nazism and racism. The KKK are christians, just as Al Quaeda are muslims. Both are extremist groups of thier respective religions.

[I Have a Clever Name]

Fanaticism has certain securities. It gives an individual a sense of superiority, purpose and integrity. The allure of an ideaology can't be overstated - Marxism for example, though blaitantly flawed in this day and age, is often flirted with by young people (who I know). I don't believe they think Marxism is an effective form of governance, though I might be wrong, but instead enjoy the label and the impact it has.

If one believes oneself to be racially pure, or enacting on the behest of God, then that individual has a credibility which cannot be challenged. Sharing these extreme views with others creates a feeling of solidarity. I cannot help but think that fanatics across the world, those who place one issue above all else, would - having been stripped of their beliefs - be people of little substance or confidence.

Edit: Not sure as to whether or not this should be in the mudpit, please do as you see fit mods.

Its an ethical question, with political examples - or so I see it. You done good.

Come on America, if your really proud to be white, kill off these disgraceful clowns, they do you no credit and only make you look like a fanny.

Proud to be white? Why would somebody who opposes racism be proud to be one colour over another? This seems incongruent.

[Farnan]

Here's a difference:

The leader of the KKK was involved in a murder, suddenly KKK membership dropped from I believe around 8 million to a few thousand. Osama Bin Laden orders the death of Americans, Al Qaeda membership skyrockets...

Also, Al Qaeda is powerful enough to do something, the KKK is made up of grumpy old men who sit around drinking and saying how people of color and Jews are the source of all the world's problems. Don't get me wrong, the KKK is a despicable group, but comparing them to Al Qaeda is like comparing the Red Cross to the Viet Cong...

The real thing you have to worry about are the Neo-Nazis, and the radical militia on both sides of the fence. Though none of those groups have enough power to do anything but die if they would try something...

Finnally, the Klan no longer exists as such, according the Jewish Anti-Defamation League. There are however groups that keep the Klan name, though they are not related to each other. In the year 2000, the estimated membership of this group was 3,000 members. This means the chance of the Klan to achieving its political goals is the same as an Elephant giving birth to an Ass and that Ass winning the GOP Primary and then getting assassinated by a Kennedy...

[I Have a Clever Name]

I think rez intended for the emphasis to be on their ideaology, not their political scope.

[Fenris]

I think rez intended for the emphasis to be on their ideaology, not their political scope.

Even their ideology is completly different. The only thing they have in common is that they are both extremists, but then again fundamentalists are extremists too, so the mere scope of extremism ranges pretty far.

[rez]

Actually the real intent wasn't to hold them both up and say look how similar they are!

A real comparison focuses just as much on the differences as the similarities. But as i have come to believe a large proportion of white supremacist groups in the U.S. believe their ideaolgy is ordained by God (see below) i thought this would be a good exercise.

However it was ideology that took my fancy the most, though farnan's post is quite excellent that withstanding.

Anyhow i found this on one of the larger Klan faith pages.

WE BELIEVE the White, Anglo-Saxon, Germanic and kindred people to be God's true, literal Children of Israel. Only this race fulfills every detail of Biblical Prophecy and World History concerning Israel and continues in these latter days to be heirs and possessors of the Covenants, Prophecies, Promises and Blessings YHVH God made to Israel. This chosen seedline making up the "Christian Nations" (Gen. 35:11; Isa. 62:2; Acts 11:26) of the earth stands far superior to all other peoples in their call as God's servant race (Isa. 41:8, 44:21; Luke 1:54). Only these descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel scattered abroad (James 1:1; Deut. 4:27; Jer. 31:10; John 11:52) have carried God's Word, the Bible, throughout the world (Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10-12, 59:21), have used His Laws in the establishment of their civil governments and are the "Christians" opposed by the Satanic Anti-Christ forces of this world who do not recognize the true and living God (John 5:23, 8:19, 16:2-3).

above showing the belief in their holy right to be supreme.

Below the belief in the evilness of the Jewish race and the hope that they will be exterminated. Now we have to at least acknowledge this similarity between the extremists. However the Militant Muslims actually have a political quarrel to back up their hate for israel. The klan appears to just need a bogey man.

WE BELIEVE in an existing being known as the Devil or Satan and called the Serpent (Gen. 3:1;Rev. 12:9), who has a literal "seed" or posterity in the earth (Gen. 3:15) commonly called Jews today (Rev. 2:9; 3:9; Isa. 65:15). These children of Satan (John 8:44-47; Matt. 13:38; John 8:23) through Cain (I John 2:22, 4:3) who have throughout history always been a curse to true Israel, the Children of God, because of a natural enmity between the two races (Gen. 3:15), because they do the works of their father the Devil (John 8:38-44), and because they please not God, and are contrary to all men (I Thes. 2:14-15), though they often pose as ministers of righteousness (II Cor. 11:13-15). The ultimate end of this evil race whose hands bear the blood of our Savior (Matt. 27:25) and all the righteous slain upon the earth (Matt. 23:35), is Divine judgment (Matt. 13:38-42, 15:13; Zech. 14:21).

taken from http://www.kkkk.net/doctrinalstatements.htm

http://www.kkkk.net/index3.html this is also a fun read.

It should also be noted that the official Klan were used simply as the poster boys for white nationalists in general.

Now looking at the radical muslims it has been noted that they are actually willing to go out and die for their beliefs, whether by suicide bombings or by guerilla warfare such as the insurgents in iraq and their supporters.

Does this make them better or worse men that the Proud Klansmen sitting around plotting for that special moment?

And for those who say that Christianity has evolved far beyond that of Islam, we only have to look at the lynchings of the 1960's to see how far Christianity has come.

The ideology of the white groups today show no sign of a perfect Christian record either.

However this is not to paint the radical muslims in any better light, as the islamic terror groups FAR FAR outnumber those of the White nationalists. And the fact that their influence in th world today has killed so many innocents stakes a large amount of guilt on the Islamic side of the fence as well.

What i really wanted to get across was that there is just as much ridiculous (and i mean seriously infantile) ideology on the Christian side of the fence as there is on the islamic.

So nobody has a clean sheet fellas

[Farnan]

Wow, they have misquoted, and so terribly destroyed the Bible I almost have to puke.

[Fianóglach]

Good post rez, now I see what you were getting at! And yeah... I don't even know what to say about that whole chosen people of Israel thing... that's just crazy. A bunch of jokers in Alabama claiming that they are the true masters of Israel... a place they probably can;t find on a map. Hilarious.

[Armfelt]

The whole KKK are a bunch of ****ing ignorant red necks who will never achieve anything. Other racist organisations call them Hollywood Nazis. The really dangerous racists are the ones who try to scientifically, not theologically, back their ideology. Do you seriously think that a bunch of red necks could ever create a "fourth reich"? Most of these dangerous racist are atheists and despise Christendom for ruining Europe.