Call allies to war screen improvement

**Riekopo** · January 13, 2015, 01:45 PM

http://i.imgur.com/XR2s2jS.jpg

I think this small adjustment on the "Call allies to war" screen would be a big improvement. I almost never call allies to war in Rome 2 because I don't want to end up losing a bunch my allies when they reject the call. I think the game should probably also tell you whether or not an ally will join you if you ask them to. I don't think it's good to make the player guess and withhold that kind of information.

**Prof** · January 13, 2015, 01:51 PM

Oh, yes, definitely!

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · January 13, 2015, 02:06 PM

Yeah it would be a improvement.

**crucify_ego** · January 13, 2015, 02:10 PM

If they choose not to join you than what are these so called "allies" good for?

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · January 13, 2015, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by crucify_ego

If they choose not to join you than what are these so called "allies" good for?

if you have multiple allies, and you know some of them won't answer, and you still don't want to lose them.

**crucify_ego** · January 13, 2015, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Karnil Vark Khaitan

if you have multiple allies, and you know some of them won't answer, and you still don't want to lose them.

Im sorry but your statement makes no sense. If your military allies wont back your military endeavors, why have them at all?

**Butan** · January 13, 2015, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by crucify_ego

Im sorry but your statement makes no sense. If your military allies wont back your military endeavors, why have them at all?

Have you ever played Crusader Kings or Europa Universalis?

Somes allies, for their own personal reasons (mainly, judging strenght/weakness of both parties, and the likeness factor of the wardeclarer compared to the target) will not engage into X military conflict, but would in Y. So if you call them to Y and they accept, its better than if you are forced to call them to X, they refuse, and you cant call them in further wars.

When you have multiple allies like Karnil said, there is a high probability that at least 1 of them will not share the exact list of your friends and enemies with you, but would with particular people that you know they dislike and are not afraid of.

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · January 13, 2015, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by crucify_ego

Im sorry but your statement makes no sense. If your military allies wont back your military endeavors, why have them at all?

to feel like having a safe neighbour, I trust a ally way more then a Non-aggression partner.

**crucify_ego** · January 13, 2015, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Karnil Vark Khaitan

to feel like having a safe neighbour, I trust a ally way more then a Non-aggression partner.

I guess I see your point, but only if it's to prevent said neighbor from indiscriminately declaring war on you. Which the A.I. still tends to do from to time to time.

**stevehoos** · January 13, 2015, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by crucify_ego

If they choose not to join you than what are these so called "allies" good for?

Yep, good point. Makes no sense at all.

**Holger Danske** · January 16, 2015, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by crucify_ego

If they choose not to join you than what are these so called "allies" good for?

Being a buffer state
Knowing they aren't likely to attack you
Better trade?
Can provide you with military access

Plenty of stuff they can still be good for...

**Aenima** · January 13, 2015, 02:47 PM

I have to admit that I'm at the point where I rarely see the point in calling allies to war or having client states/calling them to war. I feel like I can fight better than them, can get more money and usefulness out of their settlements than they provide me and when they conquer land that I want...well, it feels kinda pointless. I want my ally/client to come to war with me but I want them to help me conquer Italy for myself, not just grab parts of it themself and deny me territory.

And by the way, what I'm asking for is perfectly historical/reasonable/plausible, too. Hell, even the Hittites, 3,300 years ago, were calling their allies to war simply to provide troops, not nick land.

**Stingray1399** · January 13, 2015, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Aenima

I have to admit that I'm at the point where I rarely see the point in calling allies to war or having client states/calling them to war. I feel like I can fight better than them, can get more money and usefulness out of their settlements than they provide me and when they conquer land that I want...well, it feels kinda pointless. I want my ally/client to come to war with me but I want them to help me conquer Italy for myself, not just grab parts of it themself and deny me territory.

And by the way, what I'm asking for is perfectly historical/reasonable/plausible, too. Hell, even the Hittites, 3,300 years ago, were calling their allies to war simply to provide troops, not nick land.

Agree 100%. This is one reason I want region trading.

I almost never ask all my allies to join my wars. I simply ask nations far from the conflict personally, that way they can mop up enemy navies without ever disturbing my campaign. Fighting wars together with allies with the possibility of the allies taking lands you intended on having is headache inducing. A region/province claim system would be nice, too.

**Aenima** · January 14, 2015, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stingray1399

Agree 100%. This is one reason I want region trading.

I almost never ask all my allies to join my wars. I simply ask nations far from the conflict personally, that way they can mop up enemy navies without ever disturbing my campaign. Fighting wars together with allies with the possibility of the allies taking lands you intended on having is headache inducing. A region/province claim system would be nice, too.

True. At this point the only reason the strategist in me can think for having an ally/client state for is to act specifically as a buffer zone in and against an area you have no intention to conqueror expand into, ie making the Aridaiei and Thracians clients as Macedon because you're only concerned with going East, not West or North, and so you want allied buffer states shielding you from parts of the map you don't want to conquer.

Pessimistic or something that Buzz-Killington might say, but after a while I just begin to wonder "what's the point?" with allies and clients in other cases, since I feel I could put their territory to better use for myself.

**Achilles Lacedaemon** · January 13, 2015, 04:13 PM

Lol, its clearly an improvement but some people will still disagree, understanding the human nature sure is an irrational thing...

**Tenerife_Boy** · January 14, 2015, 03:17 PM

Agree 100% to the OP and bring it for Rome 2 also !!

**Julio-Claudian** · January 14, 2015, 04:55 PM

It would be better if we were able to choose which allies we called to war like the old days.

**Cobi Wan Kenobi** · January 15, 2015, 04:14 PM

Rome 2 should have had the give region feature. ATW should just give you units or an army from the allies joining your war. On my campaign as Pontus, I have about 30 satrapies who have regions speckled all over the place with no way to fix or organize it. Armenia now has its only settlement where the Raeti, start. They revolted against me and I took their last territory in the east while all their armies where in Europe fighting my enemies. I hope ATW has some better diplomatic features, I'm not a fan of Knossos and Nabatea taking regions in the Baltic.

**Veah** · January 15, 2015, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by blackberryalpha

I think this small adjustment on the "Call allies to war" screen would be a big improvement. I almost never call allies to war in Rome 2 because I don't want to end up losing a bunch my allies when they reject the call. I think the game should probably also tell you whether or not an ally will join you if you ask them to. I don't think it's good to make the player guess and withhold that kind of information.

Yes, that's a very good idea.

Originally Posted by Cobi Wan Kenobi

Rome 2 should have had the give region feature. ATW should just give you units or an army from the allies joining your war. On my campaign as Pontus, I have about 30 satrapies who have regions speckled all over the place with no way to fix or organize it. Armenia now has its only settlement where the Raeti, start. They revolted against me and I took their last territory in the east while all their armies where in Europe fighting my enemies. I hope ATW has some better diplomatic features, I'm not a fan of Knossos and Nabatea taking regions in the Baltic.

Apart from the Give region feature, another solution and interesting feature would be that your vassals could recruit armies but they remained defensive and you as their master be able to command them so they would be good reinforcments in your campaigns without stealing you conquest.

**WarriorPrince** · January 15, 2015, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by blackberryalpha

http://i.imgur.com/XR2s2jS.jpg

I think this small adjustment on the "Call allies to war" screen would be a big improvement. I almost never call allies to war in Rome 2 because I don't want to end up losing a bunch my allies when they reject the call. I think the game should probably also tell you whether or not an ally will join you if you ask them to. I don't think it's good to make the player guess and withhold that kind of information.

If you have a look at the screen you there some buttons where you can check your allies attitude to you and the faction your declaring war on, as well as their allies attitude towards them and your faction. This is a good new feature which I don't remember from Rome 2. It will definitely help when deciding to call Allies or not. This would of course be made even better by being able to select allies to call to war.