Birmingham, a “totally Muslim” city

**Garbarsardar** · January 12, 2015, 06:46 AM

In Britain, it’s not just no-go zones, there are actual cities like Birmingham that are totally Muslim where non-Muslims just simply don’t go in. And, parts of London, there are actually Muslim religious police that actually beat and actually wound seriously anyone who doesn't dress according to religious Muslim attire.

Exactly. Yes. More, please.

Steven Emerson is considered one of the leading authorities on Islamic extremist networks, financing and operations. He serves as the Executive Director of The Investigative Project on Terrorism, one of the world's largest storehouses of archival data and intelligence on Islamic and Middle Eastern terrorist groups. Emerson and his staff frequently provide briefings to U.S. government and law enforcement agencies, members of Congress and congressional committees, and print and electronic media, both national and international. Since 9-11, Emerson has testified before and briefed Congress dozens of times on terrorist financing and operational networks of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, and the rest of the worldwide Islamic militant spectrum.

Excellent.

Ignorance breeds fear and when ignorance is used to inform policy it leads to bad policy. And that is simply a recent and extreme example of it.
Discuss.

**God** · January 12, 2015, 07:08 AM

For some added fox news fun facts:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/1...ts-non-muslims

Did you know for example that in parts of France, muslim thugs with their bin Laden t-shirts rule unopposed with sharia law and block emergency services from passing through?

**trance** · January 12, 2015, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by God

For some added fox news fun facts:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/1...ts-non-muslims

Did you know for example that in parts of France, muslim thugs with their bin Laden t-shirts rule unopposed with sharia law and block emergency services from passing through?

Are you being sarcastic or serious? Anyway, there are in fact 750 areas in France designated as "sensitive urban areas", in many if not most of these emergency services can't enter without police escort.

It's the same in Swedish suburbs Rosengård/Seved. It's not uncommon in European ghettos.

**anonimo272** · January 12, 2015, 08:30 AM

Originally Posted by trance

there are in fact 750 areas in France designated as "sensitive urban areas", in many if not most of these emergency services can't enter without police escort.

just to clarify this, sensitive urban areas are the ares citys give priority to (acc, they are usually the dispropotionely poor areas
according to le monde i lived near 2 and i can assure you that everyones enters them as they please

**pajomife** · January 12, 2015, 07:44 AM

But still having tolerance in the rest of Charlies country.

**General Retreat** · January 12, 2015, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by pajomife

But still having tolerance in the rest of Charlies country.

I think you may have missed a little sarcasm there...

In any case, Birmingham frequently cops these kinds of non-story because it has the highest Muslim population in the UK - around 23% going off the 2011 census data. Another giggle that routinely crops up each year is allegations of the city council banning the English flag for insulting Muslims (they didn't), and enforcing the name change of Christmas to a non-religious 'Wintermas' (grossly twisting a city council promotional campaign).

And don't worry Knight of Heaven, it's not just the American media. With the amount of rubbish they try sneaking under the radar, The Daily Mail and The Sun need a careful eye as well.

**Knight of Heaven** · January 12, 2015, 07:51 AM

American midia, always trying to find a way to make their audience terrified.
In one way it is true spreading of terror.

**Simon Cashmere** · January 12, 2015, 08:09 AM

There are certainly no go areas in Birmingham, but not all of the city and not all of the bad areas are muslim. The East is the muslim badlands. Sutton Coldfield is still ok...for now. There are also black gangs who are presumably Christian. He made a mistake to say it was all of Birmingham, but frankly that a yank knew there is a city called Birmingham and it has a muslim problem is a miracle. It's the thing about being a conservative, you have to be right, all the time, about everything because any mistake at all, will be major news and wall to wall coverage and seized upon by the left, who never make mistakes.... Any mistake on the left..just gets ignored. Obama thought there were 53 states and that the press at the White House was called the Press Corpse. Imagine if George Bush said that - it would be a leftist tattoo.

Who would like to see some lefties take a camera and go to some of the fictitious no go zones in East Birmingham? I know I would.

For kicks, we could dress said leftie as an Hasidic jew, give him a go pro and see how he fares in East Birmingham.

He'll be fine though, Islam is the Religion of Peace - you'll be fine right mate? If that leftie really believes that Islam is the Religion of Peace - their politically correct faith is their armour! And any violent muslim they might meet will be very impressed with their spirited defence of their ideology on internet forum boards as a credential- and they are bound to be safe as houses.

We'd make it an awesome social experiment to show how anyone who believes there are violent angry muslims in East Birmingham is just a vicious racist. They'd be the hero of the Huffington Post. If they get out of it alive. Maybe just film in Sutton Coldfield and pretend they were in East Birmingham. Now there's an idea..they could still say they went to Birmingham and proved it was entirely safe.

**High Fist** · January 12, 2015, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere

but frankly that a yank knew there is a city called Birmingham and it has a muslim problem is a miracle.

A Muslim problem? Huh. Do tell me how a lot of Muslims living in a town means that said town has a problem.

When I saw this thread I was gonna ask if anyone - particularly Americans - actually listened to Fox News, cause there's very clearly nothing but trains of

coming from their mouths. Apparently some do. Nearly deserves some mulling over.

**Dante Von Hespburg** · January 12, 2015, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere

There are certainly no go areas in Birmingham, but not all of the city and not all of the bad areas are muslim. The East is the muslim badlands. Sutton Coldfield is still ok...for now. There are also black gangs who are presumably Christian. He made a mistake to say it was all of Birmingham

Explain here please...

Because...well...What? I've never encountered, heard of or seen any 'no go' areas- or do you mean the kind of area that's like the council estates here/in any UK city really? In which most members of the public would rather drive-through than take a walk around who aren't local- in which case your attempting to correlate a poverty/lack of investment and deprivation problem with a religious minority?

It's also important to note that Police frequently have a large presence in these areas due to said perception of social instability.

And if you mean 'Shariah' Zones- they aren't actually a thing. Any possible implementation of one, which i believed happened down south, was quickly perceived as the thuggery it was and stopped by the Police, and indeed was never really a 'thing' beyond i believe one group of people being attacked by some thugs- who then tried to justify it with 'Shariah'.

Needless to say it smacks of an excuse to try and justify an attack you were caught for, instead of a 'we wanted to fight/wanted their wallet'

**Simon Cashmere** · January 12, 2015, 08:16 AM

Yes, there are muslim no go zones, in France, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium. What is the common denominator here? Why is it only muslims acting out, and no Sikhs, Chinese, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? None of the other immigrants have the same sort of butt hurt and aggression, domination of the public space with hostility and violence and demands for special treatment. What is the difference? Maybe adherence to a violent supremacist ideology hell-bent on world domination is the problem. Feck me - if you cant get along with Scandinavians, you really don't play well with others.

**trance** · January 12, 2015, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere

Yes, there are muslim no go zones, in France, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium. What is the common denominator here? Why is it only muslims acting out, and no Sikhs, Chinese, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? None of the other immigrants have the same sort of butt hurt and aggression, domination of the public space with hostility and violence and demands for special treatment. What is the difference? Maybe adherence to a violent supremacist ideology hell-bent on world domination is the problem. Feck me - if you cant get along with Scandinavians, you really don't play well with others.

Quite recently there was a call from the Swedish Ambulance Union for extended protective gear, including bullet resistant vests and riot helmets. With shootings and operations in these ghettos being the cause of the demands.

I won't say it's necessarily done by practicing Muslims though, but these areas are deeply troubled.

**Enros** · January 12, 2015, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by trance

Quite recently there was a call from the Swedish Ambulance Union for extended protective gear, including bullet resistant vests and riot helmets. With shootings and operations in these ghettos being the cause of the demands.

I won't say it's necessarily done by practicing Muslims though, but these areas are deeply troubled.

The only places in the UK the police couldn't go without being attacked were in Northern Ireland and that didn't last very long. Though today police entering these areas have to carry rifles and ride in APCs. Northern Ireland still has a very high rate of attacks on emergency services.

In what way is the high crime rate of some ethnic ghettos comparable to that kind of violent no-go zone? I live in a 96% white town and there are a collection of suburbs full of poor white people at one end of town that it's wise to stay away from at night. Nobody claims these white people are trying to colonize the country and impose their organized crime on everyone else. Why do poor people of skin colours get treated differently when they act in the same way? The immigrants in this town are all here for the university and well off.

**trance** · January 12, 2015, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Enros

The only places in the UK the police couldn't go without being attacked were in Northern Ireland and that didn't last very long. Though today police entering these areas have to carry rifles and ride in APCs. Northern Ireland still has a very high rate of attacks on emergency services.

In what way is the high crime rate of some ethnic ghettos comparable to that kind of violent no-go zone? I live in a 96% white town and there are a collection of suburbs full of poor white people at one end of town that it's wise to stay away from at night. Nobody claims these white people are trying to colonize the country and impose their organized crime on everyone else. Why do poor people of skin colours get treated differently when they act in the same way? The immigrants in this town are all here for the university and well off.

You bring an unescorted ambulance or fire engine to these areas in Sweden they're usually attacked my stones. Attempts to torch them is pretty common too. The police regularily bring at least two or three patrols, with one needing to guard the vehicles while the others operate. There are no such areas as you described in Sweden, they are all populated by immigrants, primarily from the Middle East or Northern Africa.

That's failed integration for you. In a country with extensive social welfare. It's really

ing far from being an exclusively economic issue.

**Copperknickers II** · January 12, 2015, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere

Yes, there are muslim no go zones, in France, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium. What is the common denominator here? Why is it only muslims acting out, and no Sikhs, Chinese, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? None of the other immigrants have the same sort of butt hurt and aggression, domination of the public space with hostility and violence and demands for special treatment. What is the difference? Maybe adherence to a violent supremacist ideology hell-bent on world domination is the problem. Feck me - if you cant get along with Scandinavians, you really don't play well with others.

Trust me, I go to Muslim areas several times per month and I've been to them all over the country, and there are no Muslim no-go areas in the UK. There are a lot of minority ethnic ghettos were there are very few white people and many don't speak English, but those are often Sikh or Hindu rather than Muslim, at least in London.

Also, this is too, too good:

**Yayattasa** · January 12, 2015, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere

Yes, there are muslim no go zones, in France, UK, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, Belgium. What is the common denominator here? Why is it only muslims acting out, and no Sikhs, Chinese, Jews, Hindus or Buddhists? None of the other immigrants have the same sort of butt hurt and aggression, domination of the public space with hostility and violence and demands for special treatment. What is the difference? Maybe adherence to a violent supremacist ideology hell-bent on world domination is the problem. Feck me - if you cant get along with Scandinavians, you really don't play well with others.

Or maybe ostracization post 9/11? You are seeing the truth you want to see.

**Sphere** · January 12, 2015, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Yayattasa

Or maybe ostracization post 9/11? You are seeing the truth you want to see.

Birmingham 1989.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

The social forces at work predate 9/11 by many decades.

**mongrel** · January 12, 2015, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Sphere

Birmingham 1989.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

The social forces at work predate 9/11 by many decades.

Indeed. Not Birmingham Alabama mind, but 1960s Americans could also excel at mindless iconoclasm

Back then we called insurgents, insurgents, gureillas , guerillas, mercenaries mercenaries and terrorists , proper ones that kidnapped and murdered people outside the theatre of war, terrorists. People who protested were either called such, or hippy layabouts or commies if you were NIxon. Some kind of newspeak was developed for 9/11 discourse, so it seems , to that the extent that any peaceful dissent is a national security issue in some circles.

Originally Posted by trance

You bring an unescorted ambulance or fire engine to these areas in Sweden they're usually attacked my stones. Attempts to torch them is pretty common too. The police regularily bring at least two or three patrols, with one needing to guard the vehicles while the others operate. There are no such areas as you described in Sweden, they are all populated by immigrants, primarily from the Middle East or Northern Africa.

That's failed integration for you. In a country with extensive social welfare. It's really

ing far from being an exclusively economic issue.

That's failed geography. Birmingham is not in Sweden, not even your imaginary one.

Originally Posted by The Alcotroll

I remember doing a recruitment drive in Birmingham a few years back, involving what are called 'Mobile Army Recruitment Stands'- basically a few blokes with a vehicle and sundry other bits of kit who stand around looking bored and occasionally handing out fliers to anyone who doesn't pass them by on the other side of the street.

Anyway, when we were planning it, we had a Police Liaison chap who came over with a big marker pen and hashed out a few large chunks of the map where it wouldn't be advisable to visit, on account of what he referred to as 'cultural differences'. These were duly added to team leaders' map traces and the lads were instructed to stay the

clear.

So yeah- the American is talking mainly

, with perhaps a slender kernel of truth buried in there...

Or the Policeman was racist. Is it not up to the Army to decide who it bloody well wants to recruit?

Emerson is bright enough to realise that his lies were found out.

Parading Robertson as an expert on ISIS is a bigger fail in my book.