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[Diglytron]

A bit more than a leak when the site owner shuts down an entire subforum, but save for that I agree and hope this place gets reopened.

Indeed. That's why we arguing. Partly hoping GED sees he is wrong, and lets it goes, partly hoping someone else from the HEX council sees what is going on, and adresses GED... Although I've failed hope in the first, as the HEX is proven a puppet anyway if they are allowing one of them to be demoted without real, legit reasons. Like the Gaming Staff Admin was only busy with Minecraft, lol. Really, really really messed up.

Also 1: I am happy people like KingSama, who've have proven themselves on TWC as modder, and as member, show up

Also 2 ^ what Max says

[Maxeth_]

If this community jumped ship at the first sign of a leak, there'd be a pretty full ocean. The community is much maturer than that.

I just hope that all this (justified) anger towards GeD doesn't make him feel like he has to keep sticking to his guns. I'd be happy with a "Ah I see, sorry, didn't quite get what was going on. Forum reopened." Fingers crossed, aye.

[King Sama]

If this community jumped ship at the first sign of a leak, there'd be a pretty full ocean. The community is much maturer than that.

I just hope that all this (justified) anger towards GeD doesn't make him feel like he has to keep sticking to his guns. I'd be happy with a "Ah I see, sorry, didn't quite get what was going on. Forum reopened." Fingers crossed, aye.

Yeah, you're right. I was actually referring to the Vulcans (who apparently convened and gave up on the server within five hours of closure), but didn't want to implicate them specifically. It would be a shame if the forum reopened in a few days or weeks, but the community was crippled because too many members lost interest. That said, I'm less worried with each new post.

And I share your hope. To his credit, GED only closed the subforum, rather than move or delete it entirely. He's a good guy, despite this rash action, and I'm sure he's still thinking about the issue. What really concerns me is that TWC is so vulnerable to impromptu decisions.

The rest of the Hex don't really have any influence over who gets hired (they have input, but not a vote or anything), and certainly don't over who gets fired.

Hmm, that's unfortunate.

[firebird1170]

Yeah, you're right. I was actually referring to the Vulcans (who apparently convened and gave up on the server within five hours of closure), but didn't want to implicate them specifically.

Vulcans aren't going anywhere off the server. Just we initially kicked around the idea of having a forum on KaW. It would be good if there is a change of heart from GED and the community can stay on TWC. But if not, Poach has a good alternative already set up. So hopefully this will just be a bump in the road, rather than a disaster.

firebird

[Poach]

The rest of the Hex don't really have any influence over who gets hired (they have input, but not a vote or anything), and certainly don't over who gets fired.

[GrnEyedDvl]

The rest of the Hex don't really have any influence over who gets hired (they have input, but not a vote or anything), and certainly don't over who gets fired.

Another complete misrepresentation, and you know it full well. Not once have you ever seen me hire or fire someone without a discussion and consensus in Hex until now. In fact 99% of the time those conversations are started by other Hex members and I am among the last to respond or post my opinion specifically because most of the time I want to hear what other people say before I jump in.

That post is just one single example of what is wrong with the MCC community and the culture that was allowed to develop there. Its not just wrong, its an outright lie.

Another one would be the f-bomb censor bypass in this thread I just infracted. Thank you for reinforcing my opinion on this. Its a perfect example of the behavior I was talking about earlier. Why people think this is acceptable I have no idea, but there is far too much of this kind of behavior among this specific group of people which is why I am not going to grant forums or allow you to use the TWC name in association with it. This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

All of this and more is why I told Poach months ago I was a hair away from closing the site/server down when he mentioned bring it back to TWC, and why it will not be allowed here now.

[Connor93]

The rest of the Hex don't really have any influence over who gets hired (they have input, but not a vote or anything), and certainly don't over who gets fired.

Another complete misrepresentation, and you know it full well. Not once have you ever seen me hire or fire someone without a discussion in Hex until now. In fact 99% of the time those conversations are started by other Hex members and I am among the last to respond or post my opinion specifically because most of the time I want to hear what other people say before I jump in.

I believe what Poach meant was if you made up your mind, the rest of Hex can't do anything about it. To say that it is an outright lie seems to be incorrect. I have no personal knowledge of what goes on in the higher ups at TWC but based off of what has just been said, I think what you're trying to say about us has been reflected back on yourself.

That being said I now have no hope of returning to this site and very much doubt I even want to. I respect what you have here and love TWC and the website it has become over the years and even more so respect you want to uphold whatever standards you hold dear.

But after returning from an extended absence to immediately shutting down the mc forum with what seems to be zero grasp on what has been going on the past few months shows rash decision making and a refusal to even investigate before making a final decision. I am glad to be free of TWC authority and your whims, which frankly the move to MCC did nothing but hurt the community we fostered and waste your own money.

[King of Belka]

Another complete misrepresentation, and you know it full well. Not once have you ever seen me hire or fire someone without a discussion in Hex until now. In fact 99% of the time those conversations are started by other Hex members and I am among the last to respond or post my opinion specifically because most of the time I want to hear what other people say before I jump in.

That post is just one single example of what is wrong with the MCC community and the culture that was allowed to develop there. Its not just wrong, its an outright lie.

Another one would be the f-bomb censor bypass in this thread I just infracted. Thank you for reinforcing my opinion on this. Its a perfect example of the behavior I was talking about earlier. Why people think this is acceptable I have no idea, but there is far too much of this kind of behavior among this specific group of people which is why I am not going to grant forums or allow you to use the TWC name in association with it. This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

All of this and more is why I told Poach months ago I was a hair away from closing the site/server down when he mentioned bring it back to TWC, and why it will not be allowed here now.

This behavior is all because you took away our forum and you know it, I never thought I would be here right now this frustrated with TWC and you personally. You had a combative attitude with us on MCC throughout and insulted other players directly because the Dwarves didn't build your son or whoever a diamond statue depecting GED destroyer of servers with lightning bolts flying out of his ass instead of killing him like every faction on minecraft would do. You might as well delete my account because you and your site is what is wrong with the community right now and I won't take a further part in it.

But it wouldn't be fair of me not to thank you for the good 2-3 years on this server as well as the money you paid to keep us playing, so thank you for that. Goodbye

[Lord Romanus III]

Welcome back, GED. Before I start quoting and whatnot, I just wanted to thank you for trying to provide a better MC experience years ago when the whole venture began. I appreciate the effort you put into everything and enjoyed most of it.

I was not happy at all with the atmosphere on MCC that started between old and new staff members and spilled over very publicly into the forums. Some of these people seemed determined to undermine everything that was being tried, even to the point of insulting me personally and driving certain other members off the site.

There's more in that statement than I can account for, such as the insulting you personally, but the spillover between old and new staff never should have happened because you never should have went the route you did. It was a bad one.

When I say getting slapped in the face, here is what I mean.

1. Numerous occasions of people abusing other people on MCC, sometimes led by some ex MCC staff members. It was completely ridiculous and when I came down on the Dwarves for it their response was "well then we will take our faction posting someplace else". Which they obviously did as their posting on the site pretty much went to 0 especially inside their faction forum.

You're oversimplifying what happened. When someone invaded our group's privacy, we were naturally outraged because it was handled poorly by your new staff. That may not excuse some of what was said by the ToS, which I'll gladly admit. But you proceeded to try and make an argument that essentially went so far as to pursue thought crimes, aka player attitude to the point that we saw little reason in posting our faction's thoughts when there was little guarantee of privacy or to avoid censorship of speech.

2. The ridiculous amounts of problems with peoples behavior in general, both in game and on the forums. Behavior that you all know would get you heavily infracted on TWC. I tried to be as diplomatic as possible with lots of that, to no avail. Some of these people I should have just banned I guess.

Relating to TWC and how you should've acted should've also went straight to your staff choices, but you let that slide too.

3. When I tried to rework the faction forums and put some sort of new structure in place all I got was negativity and outright hostility.

You should know that implementing change is rarely easy or welcomed.

4. The fact that known cheaters and others are being allowed back on the community server. If you guys want to associate with people like that, then by all means go ahead. Just don't expect me to support it.

People sometimes make bad choices. You should know that.

So go get your own site, and do what you want with it.

I think that's being done and I'm sorry that our time on TWC and MCC is over.

Another one would be the f-bomb censor bypass in this thread I just infracted. Thank you for reinforcing my opinion on this. Its a perfect example of the behavior I was talking about earlier. Why people think this is acceptable I have no idea, but there is far too much of this kind of behavior among this specific group of people which is why I am not going to grant forums or allow you to use the TWC name in association with it. This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

Taking a singular example and misapplying it to a group is hardly a good way to make a judgment call.

[Diglytron]

Another complete misrepresentation, and you know it full well. Not once have you ever seen me hire or fire someone without a discussion and consensus in Hex until now. In fact 99% of the time those conversations are started by other Hex members and I am among the last to respond or post my opinion specifically because most of the time I want to hear what other people say before I jump in.

That post is just one single example of what is wrong with the MCC community and the culture that was allowed to develop there. Its not just wrong, its an outright lie.

Another one would be the f-bomb censor bypass in this thread I just infracted. Thank you for reinforcing my opinion on this. Its a perfect example of the behavior I was talking about earlier. Why people think this is acceptable I have no idea, but there is far too much of this kind of behavior among this specific group of people which is why I am not going to grant forums or allow you to use the TWC name in association with it. This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

All of this and more is why I told Poach months ago I was a hair away from closing the site/server down when he mentioned bring it back to TWC, and why it will not be allowed here now.

Overall this is just a shamefull dispray by you GED. And its silly not a single other admin in TWC steps in to do something about the situation you created. Let me get started with your arguments: you say that the Minecraft subforums were a problem for you and that's why you are shutting them down, sure. I would like to believe you, isn't it that you don't show any real facts. If the forums were a problem, then show us. Show us in the amount of moderator interactions, in the warnings and in the amount of breaking of the TOS. I am pretty sure, definitely in the last forums, that there wasn't much breaking of the TOS at all. Certainly not more as in places like the Political Mudpid, the Rome 2 forums, or the Thema Devia. Therefor, come with facts to prove what you say, cause now I just see this as a way of you to shut down something you don't like for personal reasons; like the reason others already stated; its not your success, and thus it can't be a success.

That post is just one single example of what is wrong with the MCC community and the culture that was allowed to develop there. Its not just wrong, its an outright lie.

I really do hope that not only you, but everyone on TWC see the ridiculousness of this post. As you see a lot of the MCC community are respected here on TWC. Not only Poach, but also people like Aanker, KingSana. So you basically say the whole Minecraft part is sick, according to you as supreme leader, and therefor has to die.

but there is far too much of this kind of behavior among this specific group of people which is why I am not going to grant forums or allow you to use the TWC name in association with it. This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

Is this a joke, GED? Sure, if you have prove it happened more at the forums, again I would like to see the facts. Then you say it happened in game, sure. This might be the case. But I would like you to check out all the other gaming forums we-I mean you, have on TWC. Do you think nobody swears when playing Red Orchestra and he dies? Do you think nobody swears or does name calling when he is playing some of the countless other games you have subforums for? I knew you couldn't come with real arguments, but with arguments this silly, you are just making a bigger shame of yourself.

it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

GED, for real? Your now even monitoring the behavior on steam? This is hilarious.

All of this and more is why I told Poach months ago I was a hair away from closing the site/server down when he mentioned bring it back to TWC, and why it will not be allowed here now.

I don't think you see the point. First of all, you've have been hiding this for us, letting us think there was progress on MCC while there wasn't. Secondly, this has nothing to do with a new server or discussions in the Minecraft forums. Are you basically saying everything that is multiplayer Minecraft related will be banned in the future cause ''people who play minecraft don't follow the TOS''?.

What I also find funny is that if you knew this all along already, what made you still buy the new server that costed so many dollars? I mean; isn't this just proving your arguments aren't really valid but you just don't want to see the success of others on something you've failed completely in?

Again, I hope you see how ridiculous your past four posts have been. How ridiculous your behavior has been since you've returned, and above all I hope you recall this act as its bad for TWC overall. Especially for its so-called reputation.

[King Sama]

Can we please refrain from personal insults and cursing? This is hardly the place for inane toys-r-us jokes or otherwise, and it is incredibly tactless to tell GED he wasted money. Remember that this community would almost surely be dead if it weren't for what he did for us.

There are admins viewing this forum, and as Buddydog mentioned, they have kept this thread open so far. Frankly, they'll get a pretty good picture of the community from these four pages: mostly mature albeit impassioned, punctuated with serious lapses of judgement. Forum or not, you'll need GED and others to at least allow a TWC recruitment thread if the server is to endure.

[Makrell]

Can we please refrain from personal insults and cursing? This is hardly the place for inane toys-r-us jokes or otherwise, and it is incredibly tactless to tell GED he wasted money. Remember that this community would almost surely be dead if it weren't for what he did for us.

There are admins viewing this forum, and as Buddydog mentioned, they have kept this thread open so far. Frankly, they'll get a pretty good picture of the community from these four pages: mostly mature albeit impassioned, punctuated with serious lapses of judgement. Forum or not, you'll need GED and others to at least allow a TWC recruitment thread if the server is to endure.

An advertisement thread of the server is a good choice indeed. Like we have done int he past with servers like minecraftpvp and so forth.

[Radzeer]

Can we please refrain from personal insults and cursing?

This is a good advice.

The ToS does apply here and will be enforced. If someone needs to vent out something which would break the ToS, I suggest temporarily stepping away from the computer.

[Nerva]

That post is just one single example of what is wrong with the MCC community and the culture that was allowed to develop there. Its not just wrong, its an outright lie.

You couldnt be more wrong

[Poach]

Another complete misrepresentation, and you know it full well.

I stand by my statement. There is absolutely no mechanism by which the rest of Hex, even unanimously, can overrule your decisions. As the sole and complete owner of the site, that point is unassailable. I quite clearly stated they have input, as Connor reminded you, so to what extend am I 'misrepresenting' that process? Hiring/Firing decision comes up, Hex have input, you make the Yes/No decision. What part of that process is misrepresented?

Eol: GED was gone for so long, TWC Hex sent him an email to his personal email address asking if everything was ok. Hawk did not, as I understand it, have access to that email address. There's a massive difference between your tenure as a Mod (when GED was actually playing on the server regularly) and the situation as it stood when Hawk was faced with his decisions. You can't fault Hawk for not being able to get hold of GED in these circumstances.

[supercommander]

This and other behavior happened all over the MCC forums far too often, it happened in game far too often, it happened on Steam and then bot PMed around to various people far too often.

Do you think you are someone to dictate what we can and cannot say on Steam? I'll say whatever I damn-well please where it's allowed.

Quit acting like a spoiled man-child. I expected better from you.

[Connor93]

[Nerva]

oh my hopefull child...
Now that I've lost my wiki I've lost it all...

[Squid]

Do you think you are someone to dictate what we can and cannot say on Steam? I'll say whatever I damn-well please where it's allowed.

Quit acting like a spoiled man-child. I expected better from you.

Case in point. QED.

[Lord Romanus III]

Case in point. QED.

You're cherry picking your examples there, Squid.