Those Crazy Israelis

[Libertine]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6127250.stm

Disgusting.

Absolutly disgusting

[dr0p]

Well I don't see you complaining when Sderot and Ashkelon are being bombed by Palestinians for a month. Whats the difference? Israel has more firepower?

[danzig]

Well I don't see you complaining when Sderot and Ashkelon are being bombed by Palestinians for a month. Whats the difference? Israel has more firepower?

Basically yeah, its funny that really when you think about it the complaints against Israel isnt really about their actions but the fact they have better aim or more firepower. And IF the rockets in Ashkelon had actually hit the school instead of falling short Im sure we'd see posts somehow deflecting blame for it. The antiIsraeli crowd on TWC is quite amusing because they are as blinded by their bias as they claim Pro Israeli people are.

[Bwaho]

The antiIsraeli crowd on TWC is quite amusing because they are as blinded by their bias as they claim Pro Israeli people are.

but isn't fair to say that many of the pro-israeli people are blinded by bias too? some have basically said "Israel can do no wrong"

[OriginOfSymmetry]

but isn't fair to say that many of the pro-israeli people are blinded by bias too? some have basically said "Israel can do no wrong"

nobody deny that israel has just done something wrong...

[danzig]

but isn't fair to say that many of the pro-israeli people are blinded by bias too? some have basically said "Israel can do no wrong"

Oh of course, my point was the AntiIsraeli crowd attacks the ProIsraeli crowd and ignores the fact they are basically doing the *same* exact thing, blinded by their bias. Palestinians fire rockets at town, miss a school, Israel responds with artlliery/tank fire and hit what seems to be wrong target....the difference is one missed and one hit.

[dr0p]

Basically yeah, its funny that really when you think about it the complaints against Israel isnt really about their actions but the fact they have better aim or more firepower. And IF the rockets in Ashkelon had actually hit the school instead of falling short Im sure we'd see posts somehow deflecting blame for it. The antiIsraeli crowd on TWC is quite amusing because they are as blinded by their bias as they claim Pro Israeli people are.

They almost had...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...325590,00.html
And that one was filtered out from about 30-40 news posts I found on Qassam landings from today-yesterday and the day before.

[Carach]

The antiIsraeli crowd on TWC is quite amusing because they are as blinded by their bias as they claim Pro Israeli people are.

indeed

The fact of the matter is that both sides have done wrong in response to wrong.

That depends on what you consider to be wrong, revan. i wouldnt be too happy after being attacked for the whole of my country's history day in day out - That is how israelis have had to live.

The muslim terrorist groups in the middle east have support, even when they are bombing random innocents in market centres and resturants, barely a word to condemn them here and it happens daily. Yet funnily enough when an israeli shell hits the wrong target by some rare chance, accidently, people are outraged...

[happyho]

indeed



That depends on what you consider to be wrong, revan. i wouldnt be too happy after being attacked for the whole of my country's history day in day out - That is how israelis have had to live.

The muslim terrorist groups in the middle east have support, even when they are bombing random innocents in market centres and resturants, barely a word to condemn them here and it happens daily. Yet funnily enough when an israeli shell hits the wrong target by some rare chance, accidently, people are outraged...

There are no accidents with the Israeli military and the fact that you constantly try to say they are shows you are too biased to be reliable. For many years the Israelis have been going on about how well trained and equipped there armed forces are. This was no accident nor was the shooting in the head of a twelve year old girl recently. Nor was the shelling of the UNIFIL position during the invasion of Lebanon an accident.

The fact that they refused to let the commanders in charge of the batteries that did the shelling testify or be interviewed by the UN shows they have something to hide. This shows that the Israelis have a habit of making 'mistakes' and they are trying to intimidate the international community so no nation will be willing to risk their soldiers lives guarding or observing along their stolen borders.

[Carach]

the palestinians using a debatable topic to try to stop israelis from making incursions at all? (BBC rarely include the whole picture, this story is no different)

so what. israel will just have to sit there and take the kidnapings, suicide bombings and shootings then?

[MasterAdnin]

the palestinians using a debatable topic to try to stop israelis from making incursions at all? (BBC rarely include the whole picture, this story is no different)

so what. israel will just have to sit there and take the kidnapings, suicide bombings and shootings then?

Let's think logically here. Why would the Palestinians be fighting??? It could do with the possibility that they are angry they were forced to leave their homes and have their families die every year. Now for atleast once in your life, think honestly, would you fight when you're family is dead and you're home is destroyed and your life is ruined? You would not have anything to live for, so of course you would fight. It is quite obvious Israel picked this fight when they forcibly moved into the area.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Rush Limbaugh]

Let's think logically here. Why would the Palestinians be fighting??? It could do with the possibility that they are angry they were forced to leave their homes and have their families die every year

The question is why were they forced to leave their homes? No Invasion of Israel nobody forced out of their homes. And wheres your sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of Jews in the ME who were forced to abandon eveything and flee to Israel?

It is quite obvious Israel picked this fight when they forcibly moved into the area.

They didnt forcibly move into the area. Its like saying blacks pick a fight by moving into a white area.

[MasterAdnin]

The question is why were they forced to leave their homes? No Invasion of Israel nobody forced out of their homes. And wheres your sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of Jews in the ME who were forced to abandon eveything and flee to Israel?

I do sympathize for them and it was absolutely wrong for them to be kicked out of their homes, which brings me to the same point, if the Jews have gone through this, then why are they doing the same to the Palestinians?

Also, their homes were bull-dozed without their permission, I think that is forcibly moving in. Obviously the Palestinians did not want to give up their homes and so they refused to move, and in the process, they were killed. If you try to dispute this, then you know nothing of the problems.

Is it just because Israeli's are white that the west is soooo sympathetic towards them and that the Palestianians are of a different race so they are considered lower class??

They didnt forcibly move into the area. Its like saying blacks pick a fight by moving into a white area.

They bulldozed Palestinian homes, they obviously forced their way into the area.

Salaam,
Adnan

[Erik]

They didnt forcibly move into the area. Its like saying blacks pick a fight by moving into a white area.

A better comparison is white settlers moving into South Africa during the colonial era.

[Fianóglach]

Its like saying blacks pick a fight by moving into a white area.

I don't see how that is a good example, moving into a white area would suggest that a black family paid money for a house that was being sold by someone. Not forcibly taking the property and homes of a family who did not want to leave, threatening them or even killing them. The issue is a bit more complicated than:

Jews hate Arabs, Arabs hate Jews > Jews move into Arab dominated area = no more room, Arabs own more land than jews.

Jews take land from Arabs by force > Arabs fight back > Jews bring more people into area > Arabs lose area.

A better comparison is white settlers moving into South Africa during the colonial era.

Perfect example, almost the exact same scenario.

[Stalins Ghost]

So by saying that events like this are disgusting is to automatically assume people like GrimSta or myself (who backs his view) actually support Islamic extremism? Every post of this kinds ilk result in the same. Some people find it disgusting, and normally are labeled sympathisers by our somewhat polarised members as being supporters of Hamas. No. I tend to think we actually have some kind of humanity within ourselves and treat deaths as more than a statistic.

Just because I disagree with Israeli attacks does it mean I agree with those committed by Hamas? Absolutely not, and frankly I take neither side and choose to remain neutral, thus supporting attempts at a peaceful resolution.

[The White Knight]

So by saying that events like this are disgusting is to automatically assume people like GrimSta or myself (who backs his view) actually support Islamic extremism? Every post of this kinds ilk result in the same. Some people find it disgusting, and normally are labeled sympathisers by our somewhat polarised members as being supporters of Hamas. No. I tend to think we actually have some kind of humanity within ourselves and treat deaths as more than a statistic.

Just because I disagree with Israeli attacks does it mean I agree with those committed by Hamas? Absolutely not, and frankly I take neither side and choose to remain neutral, thus supporting attempts at a peaceful resolution.

It's convenient to label criticizers of the state Israel/Palestinians as sympathizers of terrorist groups/the Israeli government to maintain a black-and-white view, that is necessary to completely exclude the possibility of a peaceful solution. Since a peaceful solution is likely not to guarantee the total annihilation of the opposing group.

Personally I'm deeply disgusted by this vile attack.

There can not and will not be a peacefull resolution. I think it's time we accept this fact.

Would you advocate the continuation of the fighting though? I bet a peacefull resolution is going to solve a whole lot more than the current state of affairs. I think it's time we - and more importantly they - accept that fact.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

There can not and will not be a peacefull resolution. I think it's time we accept this fact. Why would the world care about a genocide in Palistine, and not in Darfur. Is it only bad when Jews are involved?

[Ahiga]

There can not and will not be a peacefull resolution. I think it's time we accept this fact. Why would the world care about a genocide in Palistine, and not in Darfur. Is it only bad when Jews are involved?

It's vice Versa. People care about Darfur, not palestine.

[GeneralLee]

Welcome to modern warfare, it only takes one 120mm he round to demolish a good size building. Looks like they hit the wrong house.