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    Gunpowder Post


    ABC timeline of the evoltion of gunpowder
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    Roughly speaking, an evolution of gunpowder. More detail, but I can't confirm all of it: http://www.themcs.org/weaponry/cannon/cannon.htm


    13th century cannons/hangunners in Arabia, muslim spain and china. ( This first post is mostly about Europe (excluding Spain), more on other regions later. )


    Pot-de-Fer, early 14th century Europe. Shooting arrows.


    Smaller cannons (and handguns), mid 14th century. Mostly for siege scenario on a immobile gun bed. Available to most feudal armies according to Froissart. Here is Tower of London's expansion of Ornance for the second half of the 14th century.


    Wheels, late 14th century, but only become popular in artwork as we move into the 15th century. Breach-loading and swivel guns are introduced late 14th century as well.


    15th, we now see actual variety and popularity. Several manuscripts dedicated to gunpowder become available.


    Evolution of more sophisticated and refined cannons takes off towards the turn of the 15-16th century with the introduction of cast iron cannons, but that is probably outside the mod's time frame.


    Recreation of several gun types
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...cc18509278.jpg

    Images:
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    Artillery
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    Classifying all cannons, like any other medieval weapon, is a modern concept. However, if we take the English Ordinance of the 16th century we have one system (out of many)






    Iron Pots / Pot-de-Fer



    Immobile Cannons


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    The earliest cannons, a short description:
    During the Houndred Years' War (1339-1453) cannon came into general use. Those early pieces were very small, made of iron or cast bronze, and fired lead or iron balls. They were laid directly on the ground, with muzzles elevated by moundingup the earth. Being cumbrous and inefficient, they played little part in battle, but were quite useful in siege.

    Archaeological
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faule_Magd 1410 (mounted on a bed 1510)
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...52b65e2907.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c55d0cbf0b.jpg 15th . Alcázar castle in Segovia, Spain.
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...06590&format=2 246 cm L., 1401/1500, Germany. Unknown what kind of gun bed was used.
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...06664&format=2 284 cm L., 1401/1500, Germany. Uknown what kind of gun bed was used.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23599.html 1480-1520, England. Unknown what kind of gun bed was used.




    Recreation/Unknown
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1ed9ed823c.jpg



    Mobile Cannons


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    While there as little real progress in mobility until the days of Gustavus Adolphus, the wheeled artillery carriage seems to have been invented by the Venetians in the fifteenth century. The essential parts of the design were early established: Two large, heavy cheeks or side pieces set on an axle and connected by transoms. The gun was cradled between the cheeks, the rear ends of which formed a "trail" for stabilizing the maneuvering the piece.
    Wheeels were perhaps the greatest problem. As early as teh 1500s carpenters and wheelwrights were debating whether dished wheels were best. "They say," reported Collado, "that the [dished] wheel will never twist when the artillery is on teh march. Others say that a wheel with spokes angled beyond the cask cannot carry the weight of the piece without twisting the spoke, so the wheel does not last long. I am the same opinion for it is certain that a perpendicular wheel wil suffer more weight than the other. The defect of twisting under the pieces when on the march will be remedied by making the cart a little wider than usual."
    However, advocates of the dish wheel finally won.
    Archaeological
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c625117a4a.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0bc889b391.jpg Gun bed reconstructed. Gun is from 2nd half of 15th, St. Wendel, Germany.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...6b5e2ad896.jpg Culvrin, unknown date, Strasbourg.


    Contemporary images
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...68c4ae023e.jpg 1410-1420
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...33eafe9c37.jpg 1410-1420
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...33eafe9c37.jpg probably late 15th
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0834b41bca.jpg Late 15th century
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...feb6e6c6d0.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...4149d1ca57.jpg
    http://i797.photobucket.com/albums/y...6.jpg~original 15th.


    Recreation/unknown
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2c494e6728.jpg 15h, Burgundy,
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...086168a7a6.jpg Recreation of ~1500 Maximillian inventory





    Mortars


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    Archaeological
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ec8a14a9c3.jpg 15th, Castello del Verme, Italy
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5a3cfd02d7.jpg 1377, Cologne, Germany
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...30d2820c16.jpg ~1400, Vienna.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b457aef9be.jpg 1350, Kindermuseum Adlerturm Dortmund, Germany
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a4e7d4e7fd.jpg 15th, England. With wheels.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ccc941546a.jpg Early 15th, Kwidzyn Castle Poland. Used by Teutonics.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b507ea1cd2.jpg Burgundy, 15th.
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...04693&format=2 "Iron block" 116 cm L., 67 cm W., 48.5 cm d., 1401/1449, Germany
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...07444&format=2 Almost the same measurement as the one before.
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...07445&format=2 65 cm L., 28 cm W., 1401, Bosnia.
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/img.php?...06587&format=2 84 cm L., 17 cm W., 1401/1450


    Contemporary images
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...5a34d2a4a2.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...be544f8c26.jpg 1470-80
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...53f78b8b48.jpg Probably late 15th
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a4ead2b5f6.jpg 1490-1500
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a581e38857.jpg 15th, mortars with wheels
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f9659da939.jpg 15th, mortars with wheels
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...566e95486c.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9eac14a325.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...e8a7791746.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...706e3a7268.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...516f2bf5f7.jpg 3rd quarter of the 15th.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9eac14a325.jpg 3d quarter of the 15th.


    Recreation/unknown
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7499f59b03.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...59f1b99fb5.jpg 15th



    Grand Bombard/-Mortars


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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faule_Grete early 15th, Teutonic order.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumhart_von_Steyr early 15th, Austria.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faule_Mette Massive mortar, early 15th, Brunswick, HRE.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulle_Griet Early 15th, Ghent, Flanders.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mons_Meg mid 15th century, Scotland.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2703.html Mons Meg.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardanelles_Gun third quarter of the 15th century, Turkey. Those two parts would be attached.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-6177.html Dardanelles Gun
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...s1480-1500.jpg 15th century, Rhodes.



    Ship cannons


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    In the Tower armouries first mention of gunpowder to ships is 1341. Sir Nicholas mistakenly attributed the letter between the Clerks of the King's Ships to be earlier at 1338, which I assume is the reason some people try to connect it with certain battles in the 1338-1340 period.

    Archaeology
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-34046.html 1500-50, England. This could be used by the English navy, but it's uncertain speculation on my part.

    http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections...11_3929082.jpg Early 16 th century.

    http://www.maritimearchaeology.dk/do...antmen_web.pdf Dissertation of navel guns. Some of these guns look very similar to 15th century guns and therefor can be used to intepret earlier versions.

    A summery of the above post regarding late 15th century navel guns: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post14975113




    Ribaulds


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    In 1346 we see early mention of an order of 100 Ribalds (centum minutis ingeniis vocatis ribaldis) in the Tower Armouries of England. As we read from Richardson's thesis, "Wooden boards and other timber, axles, wheels, nails, lances with steel heads, ropes and other components were assembled at the Tower to produce them for Calais, but probably not in time for Crecy according to Tout. Tout also confirm this is an early form of Organ gun with groups of small cannons or bombards being able to fire in quick succession or all at once. However, according to A.V.B. Norman, they were most likely wheeled carts made of wood. Each strapped with 10 spears and that these were most likely not fitted with guns. He points out that we see similar engines in Bruges, before the accepted date of introduction of guns, and demonstrating that these wagons do not need guns. Ribaulds reappear in the Tower armouries in 1360-2, where 3 are ordered in addition to Mantlets. The use of Ribaulds with guns may may therefor be delayed to a later date than what may be suggested by Tout and depicted by CA. Kyeser display a Ribauld with 4 guns lined next to each other in 1401. Around the 1500s we have an example of a Ribuld as well as a depiction of the exact same Ribuld that CA choose to place in the early stages. According to what I've see, the Ribuld is a very Late tier unit for some (German) factions.




    Archaeology
    http://www.dhm.de/datenbank/dhm.php?...fld_0=AK006654 ~1500s, Germany. Measurements:
    Height: 9 cm oak board.
    Width: 52 cm oak board, front.
    Width: 55.5 cm oak board, back.
    Length: 68 cm axis
    Length: 86 cm oak board
    Length: 107 cm min barrel
    Length: 118 cm max barrel
    diameter: 2.6 cm min caliber
    diameter: 3.2 cm max caliver
    weight: 103 kg


    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...8137228bb0.jpg


    Contemporary images
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ci_studies.jpg da Vinci, Italy, Late 15th century.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._Blatt_74v.jpg Bellifortis, Kyeser, 1401, Germany.
    http://sammlungen.ub.uni-frankfurt.d...t/zoom/3656901 The closest comparison to CA's Ribuld. The book is dated to ~1500. "Ms germ qu" 52r



    Gunpowder projectiles




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    Archaeological


    Incendiary gun arrows, 1330 germany
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...90ea79385e.jpg


    Incendiary cannon ball, 14th century. France. Hay or hemp rope, possibly dipped in some form of oil.
    http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collect...p=20&pos=2


    Grapeshot container, 15-16th century, Museum of Sweden.
    http://albrechts.se/wp-content/uploa...ntainer_01.jpg

    Nails and other unpleasantries. Found in Denmark on a ship wreck. Late 15th to early 16th century. See the dissertation in the navel section for further descriptions.
    http://i.imgur.com/M5uu31J.jpg?1


    Contemporary images


    Recreation/unknown



    Cannon Mantlets


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    The ponderosity of the large bombards held them on level land, where they laid on rugged mounts of heaviest wood, anchored by stakes driven into the ground. A gunner would try to put his bombard 100 yards from the wall he wanted to batter down. One would surmise that the gunner, being so close to the castle wall manned by expert Genoese Crossbowmen, was in precarious position. He was; but earthworkds or a massive wooden shield arranged like a seesaw over his gun gave him fair protection. Lowering the front end of the shield made a barricade behind which he could charge his muzzle loader.

    Archaeological


    Contemporary images
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f8330d7802.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...877fa8f121.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a4ead2b5f6.jpg late 15th
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2d9ba16106.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...ed97b33a2d.jpg Feuerwerksbuch, Merz 1450+, Germany.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0dcc52f70b.jpg Pastrana tapestry, 15th century, Italy.


    Recreation/unknown
    http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lo...03/A003457.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a3e462d2b3.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9548e69cd5.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...3188d0ee19.jpg

    EDIT:

    31 Mantles for the guns:
    31 mantles of various proportions are listed. The six largest are twelve feet by thirty feet by two feet thick, an extraordinary size. It is regrettable that such direct clues from the past are rarely taken into account judging from most modern illustrations of siege scenes. The coylars (giant slings) also had their mantles, 36 feet long by 18 feet high and six inches thick. They also require two great cranes for lifting and loading them.
    A quote about artillery defensive from an article which talks about a manuscript by Christine de Pisan, detailing siege prep. Source: http://companie-of-st-george.ch/cms/...s/dragon-2.pdf






    Handguns
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    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-56294.html Mamluk Emir's gun 1450-1500, Syria.



    Gunner Accessory
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    Flags


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    Zurich, Germany
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...2f6056385d.jpg Zurich Handgun banner
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1d06829138.jpg Zurich Crossbow banner


    Uppsala, Sweden
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...dje_sigill.png Handgun unit marched under the banner of Saint Eric, as he was depicted in 1330s
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...en_bra.svg.png Coat of arms of stockholm, image of Eric, 2016

    Gunner bags
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    We often see square leather bags on gunners as a standard fashion. Flasks/Bandolier were first seen in the 16th century.


    Contemporary images


    Ammo bags
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...a90d527202.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7107c54e80.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1c1e464fda.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...76e4a2cfe6.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d9149dde8d.jpg
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...6ae7edc0a5.jpg (Rare bronze/brass flask, Nuremberg, 1500-10)


    Recreation
    https://cdn1.cdnme.se/54514/8-3/sold...1c9bf54b3a.jpg Nice image of a Swedish gunner, mid-late half of 14th century. You can see the bag on his waist area.







    Loading equipment
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    Perhaps use these as makeshift weapons for artillery crew.


    Contemporary images
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...f5a216d94e.jpg 1535, Germany.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...813287ab14.jpg 16th century, Germany.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...cf17bf79e2.jpg 1500s, Germany.
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0ca7e9c9a6.jpg 1530, Germany.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-1294.html 1520, England.


    Recreation/unknown


    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...9c950ad285.jpg Artillery crew equipment.



    Gun colours


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    Contemporary images
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...b9f7f37e6a.jpg ~1500s, Germany



    Post- 1500:
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    Interesting to compare with earlier versions. More refined.






    Shields with guns. From the King's ship, Mary Rose, 1540, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2638.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2640.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2639.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3286.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3285.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3288.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2642.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-2641.html


    Weapon gun combination.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3293.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3294.html
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ject-3295.html


    Cannons
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-32226.html 1500-50, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23670.html 1550, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-24148.html 1500-40, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23600.html 1500-40, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-12229.html 1500-99, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-12936.html 1500-30, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-12935.html 1500-30, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23247.html 1529, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23323.html 1535, France.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-33920.html 1524, Turkey.


    Basilisk
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-22254.html 1500-1599, Utrecht, Netherlands. Bronze is believed to be Viktorian.


    Cannon ornament
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-35448.html 1558, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23482.html 1550, England.
    https://collections.royalarmouries.o...ect-23601.html 1542, England.


    Other guns that I've not matched up against a particular date or location
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    I think they are most likely from a London based armoury







    Archaeological - Archaeological remains. Many of these engines may have Victorian elements made by museums to "fix" them, such as the gun bed.


    Contemporary images - Images made by medieval artists of the time. These are more appropriate to judge what kind of gun bed and other elements. However, size is sometimes distorted. Size is some times enhanced so that the reader can understand how certain things fit together. See Archaeology for more accurate size comparison.


    Recreation/unknown - Modern recreation of guns, or guns that may appear to be contemporary, but lack sufficient information.



    M2TW Cannons for the sake of reference.



    I'll be editing this post with additional images over the coming days.

    EDIT:

    Now I'll present a number of cannons that could be units. This is work in progress.
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    Arquebuse

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    Names: Arquebuse (French), Hookgun (literal translation), Hackbut (english) or Buxis (late latin).

    The Arquebuse is a gun operated by a matchlock system. These guns were of a small caliber, jet long and fairly heavy. They came with a hook at the end allowing it to be mounted on a supporting structure. I can't think of a smart way to portray this mechanic.

    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-5...NU0KYLTE0.html 1470-1500. Musée de l'Armée.


    Anti-personal cannon

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    Names: Falconet ("fauconneau"), Falcon, hand-culverin Swivel gun or Serpentine.

    While most cannons allowed for the use of grape shot against infantry, others were designed for it. These cannons were the smallest caliber of fixed guns, often on swivels. Higher rate of fire than larger cannons. Most of these cannons that I've come over are from Musée de l'Armée, France (Museum's Armoury of France). I assume some of these were part of the Burgundian forces, as they are famously known as a "gunpowder focused" -faction.

    Archaeological
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/08-5...NU0IHEJCT.html 15th century. "Culverin by hook", it's almost 3 m.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=S...=2CO5PC70ONNII 15th century. "Culverin by hand"
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/11-5...NU0O2RJT9.html 1490. Musée de l'Armée.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-5...NU03QN7FO.html 15th century. Musée de l'Armée.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=S...=2CO5PC70J8EBA Early 16th century cannon, similar to the others.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=S...=2CO5PC70OZ562 Reconstruction of a late 16th century cannon, similar to the ones above.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=S...=2CO5PC70OZX0K Vienna, late 16th century.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/C.aspx?VP3=S...=2CO5PC70OZX0K 16th century.

    Contemporary
    http://i.imgur.com/jADkD3q.jpg?1 This is actually a reconstruction from a contemporary image. It's a possible mount for these guns.


    Cannon
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    Cannon

    Names: Bombard, Cannon

    Large Cannon

    Names: Grand Bombard,

    These were part of the largest gunpowder artillery available, including the Ottoman Dardanella cannons used at the final siege of Constantinople or the Scottish Meg. Due to their weight, these were most likely fixed guns on the ground with some sort of mound or wood underneath as seen here. According to Leeds armoury, the Ottoman cannon had a rate of fire of 12 per day and almost half the cannon was for gunpowder.


    Mortar
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    Small Mortar

    A mortar is a short cannon used to fling projectiles in a upward trajectory. The earliest Mortars are believed to be fairly small, but we see them used throughout the mod's period. Probably faster to reload.

    Archaeological
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/09-5...NU0KJW4EN.html Burgundian, 15th century. Musée de l'Armée.
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/12-5...NU08HCNL6.html
    http://www.photo.rmn.fr/archive/12-5...NU08HCBPL.html

    Medium Mortar



    Large Mortar

    Names: Grand Mortar


    EDIT2:
    Powder casket
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    Made for crossbowbolts, but the design could work
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    Other boxes

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    lots more here:
    https://no.pinterest.com/tbiliter/medieval-woodwork/







    ~Wille
    Last edited by Kjertesvein; August 23, 2016 at 10:00 PM.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Examples of army banners used by the Swiss Confederacy:
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    (More examples of medieval banners be found here : http://www.krigsspil.dk/node/65)

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    Examples of Swiss Pikeman (14th-15th Century)
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    I had to delete 2 of your pics as they are in breach of copyright. You should bear this in mind in future, especially if tempted to post Osprey images.

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    Berne banner-bearer:
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    Uri banner-bearer: (Personal Favorite
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    Swiss Men-at-Arms (15th-Century):

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    Pics deleted for the same reason as mentioned in post #163

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    Illustrations of The Knights of Rhodes (or Knights Hospitaller) (14th-15th-Century)

    Swiss Handgunner (15th-Century)

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    I've been working with the Assembly Kit a little bit and came up with this model of a 14th Century Swiss Spearmen in my free time. Its nothing much but I like it. (And I do plan to add on to it)
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    Heres my reference for the model

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    Here is another model I've been working on: The 14th Century Swiss crossbowman. (I will change it in the future aswell)
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    Here is my reference for the model

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    It was said that the Mongols brought Chinese siege engineers in their invasions westwards. Did they build or utilize siege engines that are distinctively Chinese, unique compared to Middle Eastern and Eastern Europe siege engines? Or are the engines pretty much similar, or later widely adapted in the west making them not so unusual anymore? Do anybody have sources on that?
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    French scots guard, 1454. Note the green white and red color scheme. Also, while some have longbows, the others use a polearm + shield combo. Maybe an idea for a second unit ?



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    They will need an earlier model if you wish to make them available since 1295 though.

    Their pauldrons being covered in puffy stuff will probably make it easier for anyone modelling them.

    Again I lament over the pauldron issue

    Heh, I cannot help it, there is just something about them magnificent steel shoulder pushons;

    https://www.histoire-fr.com/images/b...l_chartier.jpg

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    Its a very small and late palatine unit, however I'd also love to see them in-game as they are. Appearing in Joan of Arc time-frame. But its need to create more "casual" scots mercenaries to reflect the 16 000 scot fighters used by Charles VII(cf. Jacques d'Avout, Bernard Chevalier, both serious historians).

    Also welsh mercenaries were present, IIRC 20 000 exiled settled in France, providing mercenaries to the french king. However I assume that 20 000 was the total number, including children, wifes...etc, so reasonnably the welsh exiled warriors themselves would be around 2000 to 5000.


    http://www.persee.fr/doc/shmes_1261-..._act_18_1_1498

    Here are mentionned, p;280.

    Its mentions treaties between exiled welsh princes from Gwynned House and french kings. Welsh princes were raised as pages at french court and formed specific contingents so they could commands other exiled from inferior social ranks.

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    Are there actually any plans to include Alania somehow?

    Edit: Ah nm, its in. Time for research, I guess.
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    https://archive.org/details/jeannedarc00boutuoft

    I'm currently on a trip to Washington DC and I went to the National Art Gallery and discovered this fellow nerd from WW1 era. I'll pull up some pictures from my camera of what I took from the gallery when I get back home.

    I have lots of good sources for Fenix to use. I took a lot of pictures depicting 15th century Italian and German nobility portraits. Plus some goods that maybe Druzhina might appreciate.

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    Hmm

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    This is the only forum I visit with any sort of frequency and I'm glad it has provided a home for RTR since its own forum went down in 2007. Hopefully my donation along with others from TWC users will help get the site back to its speedy heyday, which will certainly aid us in our endeavor to produce a full conversion mod Rome2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Culverin View Post
    Examples of Swiss Pikeman (14th-15th Century)

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    I had to delete 2 of your pics as they are in breach of copyright. You should bear this in mind in future, especially if tempted to post Osprey images.

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    Wait, so Osprey has actually sued people for 'copyright infringement' for posting images from their books in online forums for the purposes of historical modding of games or painting of miniatures?

    If so, source please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gustave View Post
    French scots guard, 1454. Note the green white and red color scheme. Also, while some have longbows, the others use a polearm + shield combo. Maybe an idea for a second unit ?



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    That would be smth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visarion View Post
    That would be smth...
    I am working on this exact same scotsguard polearm unit... If we are lucky might even make it into the hotfix....

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    does this mod work with campaigns? if not, then when do you plan to finish with that?

    kind regards,

    ps I've been following this for about 2 years now

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    We're trying to get a campaign ready by the end of the year.

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