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    Thanks Dan. With the econ map, we're pretty much set to go. How long d'you guys need to set up your threads (please use the diplomacy section as usual for faction games), calculate your incomes and track down your country's 1939 OOBs (if any can be found, if not just use 100% of your provinces' income to create an army from scratch)? 'Cause once that's done for at least the Big 8, we can really start.

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    Oops, missed that.

    The USSR and Finland should definitely get some kind of a winter attrition bonus. I know Finland's not in the Big 8 but, well, I mean, come on. United States might get a production bonus to reflect the massive pumping out of materiel for the war effort, Brits could get some kind of a bonus to naval combat, Germany could get a bonus to research, and I'm not sure how this could work, but maybe France could get some kind of a buff to guerilla tactics or something in honor of the French Resistance. Maybe an attrition bonus in occupied territory? Poland could get something similar (I know, not the Big 8, but still) because of the Home Army.
    Hmm...perhaps their unique bonuses could be:

    USA: 'Arsenal of Democracy': -10% costs & build time for units & infrastructure
    UK: 'Britannia Rules the Waves': +1 quality star to all naval units
    France: 'La Résistance': Enemy troops occupying Metropolitan France suffer a permanent 2% attrition penalty; if Free French or Allied forces successfully set foot back in the mainland post-defeat, partisans will rise up every turn to help throw the occupiers out
    Republic of China: 'White Sun's Flare': The Nationalists can use conscription once a year as long as they are at war, unlike all other powers which can only use conscription once
    USSR: 'Velíkaya Otéchestvennaya Voyná': 2x partisans spawned in enemy-occupied territories
    Germany: 'Wunderwaffen': -10% Special Weapons tech research costs & -3 days' research time
    Japan: 'Tennouheika Banzai': Units (land & naval both) can be ordered to fight to the bitter end, and will do so without fail every time
    Finland: 'Talvisota': Land units are twice as powerful when defending in winter
    Poland: 'Kotwica': The Polish Home Army will never cease respawning partisans unless the Allies are defeated or Poland is liberated/'liberated' by another power

    No idea what to give the Italians yet, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan the Man View Post
    So what does that refer to, then? Troop counts?
    The list of divisions of various types. See the Bar, where I listed my number of Infantry and Cavalry divisions, Tank brigades/divisions/etc, and Artillery regiments.

    EDIT: @Barry: "Rome's new Legionnaires on the march", as I recall, was a propaganda slogan the Italians often used. Maybe a morale bonus for Italian units should historical Roman lands be conquered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    @Barry: "Rome's new Legionnaires on the march", as I recall, was a propaganda slogan the Italians often used. Maybe a morale bonus for Italian units should historical Roman lands conquered?
    What's got four reverse gears and one forward gear? An Italian tank. The forward gear's in case they get attacked from behind.

    But seriously, Italy had some of the worst morale in the whole of WW2.


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    They had awful morale because their leadership was a bunch of spineless twits. Rommel said in his experiences in North Africa the same of the Italians as what was said of the British infantry in the first World War; they were lions led by donkeys.
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    That's not the only reason they had poor morale, Italy entered the war because of Mussolini's vanity and the lack of public support showed in their performance. Their failed invasions of Greece and Egypt showed they needed Germany to babysit them at every turn. Hitler even thought the Spanish volunteers in the Blue Division were more useful allies than the whole Italian Empire ever was. But what really shows their lack of conviction is the complete evaporation of Italian resolve when Americans landed in Sicily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles of Athens View Post
    Question concerning France, I'm correct in assuming I've got fortifications all along the real Maginot and Alpine lines?
    Can we extend this across the Dutch border plz?

    I will do my two nations tonight (threads, OOBs, etc)

    Also, would you guys mind explaining the colors on the Economy Map?

    Finally, are the Chinese Nationalists the blue?
    And the Chinese Communists are the red guys west of Sichuan?
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    Well, guess I get to be an admiral without a fleet Probably will use the Slovak-Hungarian war order of battle for starting forces, unless someone knows a more accurate one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard Feudalism View Post
    Can we extend this across the Dutch border plz?

    I will do my two nations tonight (threads, OOBs, etc)

    Also, would you guys mind explaining the colors on the Economy Map?

    Finally, are the Chinese Nationalists the blue?
    And the Chinese Communists are the red guys west of Sichuan?
    Sure, each color on the econ map depicts the level of industrial & infrastructure development in that province - that's to say, how much income that province brings in for you every turn (1 week). How much each income you get from each level is outlined here.

    Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists are indeed the blue in China, with the CCP being the red.

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    What are some good sources for finding OOBs? I figured I'd base Finland's stats on what the Wikipedia page for the Winter War shows but it doesn't really correspond to the unit sizes we have under military rules. For example, the Finns only had 32 tanks during the war. How do I represent that?

    Not sure what to do for the United States either. I have a few historical sources that list OOBs for the US Army but only for infantry and armored divisions. I do have numbers for the total amount of enlisted men in the Army, Navy, and Marines from 1939 to 1945 as well, but I'm not sure what do to with that unless I'm allowed to just fill in my troop counts based on that. Besides all that, what other stats do I need and how do I find them?
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    Yo, Barry, the Submarine price is 10 points apparently?

    I'm assuming it's the same cost as Destroyers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dan the Man View Post
    What are some good sources for finding OOBs? I figured I'd base Finland's stats on what the Wikipedia page for the Winter War shows but it doesn't really correspond to the unit sizes we have under military rules. For example, the Finns only had 32 tanks during the war. How do I represent that?

    Not sure what to do for the United States either. I have a few historical sources that list OOBs for the US Army but only for infantry and armored divisions. I do have numbers for the total amount of enlisted men in the Army, Navy, and Marines from 1939 to 1945 as well, but I'm not sure what do to with that unless I'm allowed to just fill in my troop counts based on that. Besides all that, what other stats do I need and how do I find them?
    For the USSR I've been (loosely ) looking at the names and classifications of the units involved, finding their equivalent sizes in the OP, and transcribing them there. So don't worry if a Finnish armored brigade was only 20 tanks strong - it's an armored brigade, make it the same size as the armored brigade in the OP, etc.

    (Except in my case, the USSR had armored division-sized units called tank brigades, so the "tank brigades" I list on my faction page are actually divisions, but that's only relevant to me. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    Yo, Barry, the Submarine price is 10 points apparently?

    I'm assuming it's the same cost as Destroyers?
    Not anymore it isn't Meant to fix this yesterday (Xion was the first to bring this error to my attention) but forgot.

    @Dan For the sake of convenience, we can just have it represented by Finland having a single armored brigade. In general, when confronted with numbers that don't easily match up to our unit sizes, just round down and try to match the smaller unit sizes (ex. making them into brigades instead of divisions) when possible. You can also certainly base your self-created forces on the historical OOB. Besides the Army, Navy & Marines...don't forget to fill in the USAF, btw.

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    USAF was a component of the Army at that point in time (USAAC).
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    Ah true, I'd gotten it mixed up with both the USAAF ('42-7) and the USAF proper (post '47).

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    Suggestions for Kuomintang and Dutch OOBs?

    I expect to get totally steamrolled in the Netherlands right off the bat, so I'm hoping I can actually base any fleets I might have in my colonies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bastard Feudalism View Post
    I expect to get totally steamrolled in the Netherlands right off the bat, so I'm hoping I can actually base any fleets I might have in my colonies.
    Perhaps you will get steamrolled.. perhaps not.


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    What do we do if the nation had an armored division in its OOB but isnt at the tech level to have one?

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    ^ Make it Light Armored, perhaps?

    @Bastard: I found this for the Dutch, and these two for the KMT.
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    Works for me

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    Typing up this OOB for the Soviets is giving me such a complicated mix of emotions. Both my inner wargamer and my inner tankie are pleased.
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