No Peace in Our Time - the 1939 World War II IH

[rathertallhat]

I may be wrong but, I think Celsius' claims have been passed up.

[Barry Goldwater]

I may be wrong but, I think Celsius' claims have been passed up.

Not anymore they haven't Sry for missing you earlier Cels.

Anyway, just remember that tomorrow's the day I'll have the RNG settle your claims guys, and once that's done you can pretty much start right away. I believe the last thing missing is the econ map, but while Dan's working on that there's nothing stopping you from digging up OOBs for your factions, strategizing and making PM decisions.

[Dan the Man]

This is kind of embarrassing but could somebody explain to me what OOB stands for? I've been operating under the assumption that it's "order of battle" but I'm not sure that's correct anymore.

[Pericles of Athens]

This is kind of embarrassing but could somebody explain to me what OOB stands for? I've been operating under the assumption that it's "order of battle" but I'm not sure that's correct anymore.

You're not alone there, Danny boy.

[Barry Goldwater]

Yeah, as far as I recall it still means 'order of battle'; certainly I have no idea what new meaning it might carry nowadays As far as IH goes, that should always be a safe assumption to make in the context of IHs unless the host's explicitly stated otherwise.

[Dan the Man]

So what does that refer to, then? Troop counts?

[Celsius]

Not anymore they haven't Sry for missing you earlier Cels.

I'm devastated. How will I ever get over this slight?

[Dan the Man]

Update on econ map progress: All of Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and the USSR are done. Some plans I had tomorrow morning were canceled so I can afford to stay up pretty late to get more work done. We'll see how it goes.

[chesser2538]

Just wondering, What will be the rules governing combat?

[chesser2538]

And also how are the starting # of units determined, and can bonuses can be gained through our generals in battles. Also how will naval operations and air units be utilized in this game. Can I for example use a submarine force to sweep the shipping lanes and engage in convoy raiding and thus cut off the income/resources of certain areas. Are air forces able to fly different missions such as interdiction or superiority over a range of provinces. and can we combine units into special divisions such as an
armored division+Mechanized Infantry+Self Propelled artillery.

[Dan the Man]

Only Central and South America, the Caribbean, Indonesia, New Zealand, and the dreaded South Pacific to go now, so I think I'll call it a night. I'll pick it back up tomorrow.

On an unrelated note, I'd like to add Australia to my minor claims if still possible. Danke schoen.

[Pericles of Athens]

If we still have the time I'd like to reorder my minor claims. Spain -> Turkey -> Iraq -> Argentina

[Barry Goldwater]

So what does that refer to, then? Troop counts?

Yes.

@Chesser Same rules as in past games (preferably both players will PM orders/turn in combat to me, and I'll then resolve the battle either instantly or in stages using said orders), with the additional caveat that battles can now span entire provinces as campaigns (ex. if you attack along a six-province front simultaneously and the enemy has enough troops to defend said front, the size of the battlefield will be equivalent to those 6 provs). You'll indeed be able to cut people's sea lanes or have your fleet help land units with shore bombardments, while air units can be used for close-air support of ground troops (think one of the major linchpins to the blitzkrieg strategy) or to bomb enemy provinces and thus rip up their infrastructure levels in addition to fighting each other.

As for your starting units, as I said earlier players can use their faction's historical order of battle. So f'rex, if the German player can find Germany's military assets in 1939, he can use that for his starting army/navy/air force. You can combine divisions and brigades but not divisions and divisions, unless you mean you want to group them into a corps or something which is entirely possible.

And now, to let the RNG work his magic and determine who gets what:

Fred - Major: USSR (tech levels, in order land/sea/air/special: 3/2/2/1); Minor: Chinese Communists (techs: 2/1/1/0)
Perry - Major: France (techs: 3/2/2/1); Minor: Argentina (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Bastard Feudalism - Major: Republic of China (techs: 2/1/1/0); Minor: Netherlands (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Chesser - Minors: Brazil (techs: 2/2/2/0), Romania (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Xion - Major: Japan (techs: 3/3/2/1); Minor: Hungary (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Celsius - Major: Italy (techs: 3/2/1/1); Minor: Spain (techs: 3/2/2/0)
EB - Minors: Ireland (techs: 2/2/2/0), Australia (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Iron Aquilifer - Minors: Yugoslavia (techs: 2/2/2/0), Bulgaria (techs: 2/2/2/0)
Dan - Major: USA (techs: 3/3/2/1); Minor: Finland (techs: 3/2/2/0)
CF - Major: Germany (techs: 3/2/3/1); Minor: Turkey (techs: 2/2/2/0)
RTH - Major: UK (techs: 2/3/2/1); Minor: South Africa (techs: 2/2/2/0)

If anyone wishes to trade their claims with another player, by all means ask 'em, just let me know about it when you've settled an agreement

[Dan the Man]

Yesssssss.

Unrelated, is anybody playing the Nazis or are they off limits?

[Barry Goldwater]

CF has indeed gotten Nazi Germany.

BTW, I noticed an earlier proposal in this thread to give factions unique bonuses based on their RL backgrounds. Doing that for literally every faction seems a bit much, but I suppose it can't hurt for the majors. I'm open to suggestions from you guys as to what unique bonuses/maluses each of the Big Eight should get, replacing the usual dictatorship/democracy bonus & malus.

[Pericles of Athens]

Question concerning France, I'm correct in assuming I've got fortifications all along the real Maginot and Alpine lines?

[rathertallhat]

Does South Africa start off as a Dominion, I can find dates for its ratifcation for Canda, Australia, and New Zealand but not South Africa. Also both Chesser and I have been marked as Brazil

[Dan the Man]

CF has indeed gotten Nazi Germany.

BTW, I noticed an earlier proposal in this thread to give factions unique bonuses based on their RL backgrounds. Doing that for literally every faction seems a bit much, but I suppose it can't hurt for the majors. I'm open to suggestions from you guys as to what unique bonuses/maluses each of the Big Eight should get, replacing the usual dictatorship/democracy bonus & malus.

Oops, missed that.

The USSR and Finland should definitely get some kind of a winter attrition bonus. I know Finland's not in the Big 8 but, well, I mean, come on. United States might get a production bonus to reflect the massive pumping out of materiel for the war effort, Brits could get some kind of a bonus to naval combat, Germany could get a bonus to research, and I'm not sure how this could work, but maybe France could get some kind of a buff to guerilla tactics or something in honor of the French Resistance. Maybe an attrition bonus in occupied territory? Poland could get something similar (I know, not the Big 8, but still) because of the Home Army.

[Barry Goldwater]

@Perry Yes, France starts with Level 5 fortifications spanning the entire border with Germany + Level 4 defenses on the border with Italy.

@RTH Yes, South Africa is a dominion of Britain at this time, and sorry lol. I meant to give you SA, not Brazil Fixed now

[rathertallhat]

Lol makes sense thanks, should I account Yemen and Iraq like Dominions or something else?