Playing DEI 1 with DEI 0.96 battles?

**largejack** · January 01, 2015, 05:19 PM

The new campaign in DEI 1 is brilliant but the battles are painfully slow, is there anyway you can add the battles of 0.96 which were beautifully balanced (not too fast or slow) compared with the new battles in version 1 ?

Or just please bring back the battles of 0.96, it was tons better folks.

I concede version 1 may be more historically accurate but a few infantry units go at each other for nearly an hour? I just don't have the time or patience.

**Dresden** · January 01, 2015, 05:32 PM

I haven't experienced that. In fact, most people report the battles are faster. Battle balance was a major complaint in 0.96.

Are you just putting your infantry in frontal combat and not using any other tactics? Also what difficulty are your battles on?

**largejack** · January 01, 2015, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Dresden

I haven't experienced that. In fact, most people report the battles are faster. Battle balance was a major complaint in 0.96.

Are you just putting your infantry in frontal combat and not using any other tactics? Also what difficulty are your battles on?

Thanks for your quick reply. The issue has only come to my attention when the enemy tries to invade my none walled settlements, the open battles seem to be ok. I'm just using similar tactics as before, trying to shoot the enemy with archers (which don't seem to cause many casualties) while choking them up with infantry, and then trying to hit them in the flanks whenever I get a chance. But the infantry are fighting it out forever, to the point where I can just leave the computer and let them get on with it.

I'm playing as Massilia btw and being attacked by barbarians from the north and west, Arverni and Volca I believe.

PS The battle balance in 0.96 was brilliant compared to vanilla at least in my opinion, but I understand everyone is different. Infantry would hold just long enough in order to make you change tactics, or to launch some surprise attack, but once they started to break they would break.

Sorry, I forgot to mention I'm playing on normal difficulty as your team advised that to make everything balanced.

**Dresden** · January 01, 2015, 05:41 PM

And what difficulty are your battles on?

Missile units are usually more effective if you can fire on the flanks also.

**largejack** · January 01, 2015, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dresden

And what difficulty are your battles on?

Missile units are usually more effective if you can fire on the flanks also.

I understand things might take a bit of getting used to but my initial impression is that the battles have become too attritional which might be good if you have the time and patience to spend an hour on each battle. I used to find half an hour was normal in 0.96 and 15 minutes in vanilla.

I'm not trying to decry your efforts, the work you and your team have done are amazing and I would have stopped playing this game months ago without you, but I just feel the battle complexities are becoming a little too complex??

**Dresden** · January 01, 2015, 06:06 PM

You still haven't answered my initial question about battle difficulty

**largejack** · January 01, 2015, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dresden

You still haven't answered my initial question about battle difficulty

Sorry Dresden, normal mate. At least I think so, I'll double check and let you know.

Yep I'm playing on normal battle difficulty.

**jazebiker** · January 01, 2015, 06:27 PM

FWIW, battles later in the campaign seem really quick. Troop quality seems to have a much bigger impact than in 0.96. Although I have noticed that foot archers are essentially useless - not causing casualties even focusing fire against light infantry. Hoplites are essentially immortal against any kind of frontal attack. Even principes with lvl 2 weapons couldn't kill them. Only way to clear them off the battlefield is to hit them from behind with javs. Or charge from the rear and hope they rout.

Same as OP - not whining, just offering some feedback. REALLY enjoying 1.x! You all took Rome 2 and made an actual strategy game out of it. Pretty impressive.

**KAM 2150** · January 01, 2015, 06:31 PM

Anyway, it is now impossible to bring back old battles as there are new units made already with new balance.

largerjack, there is already a small submod from me just to cover melee combat.

**Jin-** · January 01, 2015, 06:33 PM

I think battles are very fast now compared to 0,96. Almost at Shogun 2 level which is perfect now

**Dresden** · January 01, 2015, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by largejack

Sorry Dresden, normal mate. At least I think so, I'll double check and let you know.

Yep I'm playing on normal battle difficulty.

Ok thanks. It could be something to do with the tight quarters and short fronts in sieges. Not much room for flanking there.

**largejack** · January 01, 2015, 06:52 PM

Ok, thanks for the suggestions guys. It's probably just a bit different, I guess I'll get used to it, as long as each settlement battle doesn't take an hour with only 8 units, then time will become an issue. I will always try to give critical feedback if it helps, but at the end of the day it's a privilege for me to have the opportunity to play this excellent mod whether it suits my playing style or not. But thank you for listening to my gripes all the same.

**Wulfric5** · January 02, 2015, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by largejack

Ok, thanks for the suggestions guys. It's probably just a bit different, I guess I'll get used to it, as long as each settlement battle doesn't take an hour with only 8 units, then time will become an issue. I will always try to give critical feedback if it helps, but at the end of the day it's a privilege for me to have the opportunity to play this excellent mod whether it suits my playing style or not. But thank you for listening to my gripes all the same.

Battles don't take that long, for me at least. The longest one I had so far if I remember correctly was 6k vs 6k, and it took only about half an hour.

**Denco** · January 02, 2015, 05:34 AM

Battles aren't fast netiher are slow, they are DeI

Originally Posted by Wulfric5

Battles don't take that long, for me at least. The longest one I had so far if I remember correctly was 6k vs 6k, and it took only about half an hour.

Seriously. I just had a 4 v 6k siege battle that lasted for 48 minutes and it was still only halfway done. I think it depends on the type of units involved and if its a siege or not. Like Dresden said there us little space for flanking in sieges and they tend to drag on.

Dresden is there a way to increase the timer?

**FlashHeart07** · January 02, 2015, 06:27 AM

You can change the battle timer in game options also completely remove it.
Also there are some txt files in the Roaming -> Rome 2 folder that might work. But not entirely sure on this though