Russia’s new military doctrine lists NATO, US as major foreign threats

[Exarch]

well, well, post Cold War world indeed; welcome to Cold War 2.0, gents, proudly brought to you by US neocons and people still living like it's the 1985.

Russia has adopted an updated version of its military doctrine, which reflects the emergence of new threats against its national security. NATO military buildup and American Prompt Global Strike concept are listed among them.The new doctrine was approved on Friday by President Vladimir Putin. Its core remains unchanged from the previous version. The Russian military remains a defensive tool which the country pledges to use only as a last resort.
Also unchanged are the principles of the use of nuclear weapons which Russia adheres to. Their primary goal is to deter potential enemies from attacking Russia, but it would use them to protect itself from a military attack – either nuclear or conventional – threatening its existence.
The new sections of the doctrine outline the threat Russia sees in NATO’s expansion and military buildup and the fact that the alliance is taking upon itself “global functions realized with violation of international law.”
The doctrine lists among major foreign military threats “the creation and deployment of global strategic antiballistic missile systems that undermines the established global stability and balance of power in nuclear missile capabilities, the implementation of the ‘prompt strike’ concept, intent to deploy weapons in space and deployment of strategic conventional precision weapons.”
The Yury Dolgoruky nuclear-powered submarine.(RIA Novosti / Pavel Kononov)

Another new point in the doctrine is that one of the Russian military’s goals is to protect national interests in the Arctic region.
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The document also points to the threat of destabilization countries bordering Russia or its allies and deployment of foreign troops such nations as a threat to national security.
Domestically, Russia faces threats of “actions aimed at violent change of the Russian constitutional order, destabilization of the political and social environment, disorganization of the functioning of governmental bodies, crucial civilian and military facilities and informational infrastructure of Russia,”the doctrine says.
Moscow sees international cooperation with countries sharing its effort to increase security, particularly members of BRICS, the OSCE, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and others as the key to preventing military conflicts, the doctrine states.
Traditional threats that Russia must deal with mentioned in the doctrine include extremism and terrorism, proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and rocket technology and actions of foreign intelligence services.
The document notes that modern threats are increasingly drifting from a military nature to informational, and states that the likelihood of anyone launching a fully-fledged war against Russia is decreasing.

Source: http://rt.com/news/217823-putin-russ...tary-doctrine/

well done, s; you've effectively set back civilization at least 60 years:


EDIT: in case some people here are missing the point; sorry but current ABM tech aint going to save you from MIRV'd thermonuclear warheads. It only takes one warhead on a US metropolitan area/EU city for the entire world to go to .

[Vanoi]

Brought to you by US neocons? I didn't realize it was US neo-cons that invaded Ukraine in 2013. Oh and the oh so unbiased RT as a source. Classic Exarch.

And so what if they got fancy nukes? Welcome to the threat we have been facing since 1948. MAD didn't stop existing just because the cold war is over.

[Gaidin]

well, well, post Cold War world indeed; welcome to Cold War 2.0, gents, proudly brought to you by US neocons and people still living like it's the 1985.

You were expecting something different when, since we couldn't counter their Ukraine invasion militarily, we wrecked their economy with impunity? Please. Get with the times.

[conon394]

welcome to Cold War 2.0, gents, proudly brought to you by US neocons and people still living like it's the 1985.

Yep shaking in my boots here on this one... how is this the fault of neo cons anyway? I would not mind living in 1985 if I get to 15 again a lot mistakes I could avoid.

in case some people here are missing the point; sorry but current ABM tech aint going to save you from MIRV'd thermonuclear warheads. It only takes one warhead on a US metropolitan area/EU city for the entire world to go to

And that was not their point what saves us from that is 11 Ohio class SSBNs and the follow attack to such a strike. ABM as designed now is only really intended to counter the limed ability of small nuclear states.

Cold War 2.0

Pretty hard to have one a country with a economy that is in the tank.

oh and have fun with linking NG to oil prices...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...nd-gas-prices/

[alhoon]

About new military doctrine: Eh... was the old military doctrine any different? I don't think Russia ever stopped listing USA and NATO as major threats.

And that was not their point what saves us from that is 11 Ohio class SSBNs and the follow attack to such a strike. ABM as designed now is only really intended to counter the limed ability of small nuclear states.

Not really. To use nukes, you need the president and generals. If Russia or China take out the whole USA, as in carpet nuke USA, wiping out 320Million people within 2 hours (and they can do that), then the submarine commanders won't have the keys necessary to strike back.
Of course, England, France, India and Pakistan would wipe out Russia and\or China about an hour after that.

There are two things that stop that:
First and least important: No nuclear power can be 100% sure that they would manage to destroy the command centers of the other before they're destroyed themselves (MAD).
As in, Russia\China\England\France can wipe out USA in 2 hours but they can't be sure they won't be wiped out within 1 hour and 50 minutes. 1% chance of total annihilation is a big risk to take for dickwaving.

Second and way more important: Would China and Russia bomb their most important customers? Would USA wipe out their most important importers of stuff? The world is intertwined too much for someone to blow up USA\France\England\Russia\China\India and not collapse by the shockwaves themselves.


So...
Nope, no nuclear winter is coming. MAD and world realities stop that. Perhaps a rogue group MIGHT kill 100K people which is terrible, but there's no apocalypse in the horizon.

[conon394]

Not really. To use nukes, you need the president and generals. If Russia or China take out the whole USA, as in carpet nuke USA, wiping out 320Million people within 2 hours (and they can do that), then the submarine commanders won't have the keys necessary to strike back.

And they would do with absolute and complete surprise how? Invalid argument.

Plus the thing is any active subs could figure out the US was just destroyed.

http://content.time.com/time/magazin...1361-1,00.html

"Could the crew circumvent the security? Of course they could, Volonino knew. His sailors had hammers, picks and blowtorches, which they could use to break into the safes holding the captain's indicator-panel keys. For that matter, he didn't even need the keys to launch the missiles. His men were skilled technicians who knew practically everything about the Nebraska's electronics. They could drill screws out of cabinets, open them up and hot-wire circuits for the keys like car thieves. But that would take a lot of people being in on the conspiracy--dozens of them in the missile-control center and the missile compartment and at the conn. At the very least, more than a third of the men on board would have to be involved. And even that might not be enough. There were other sailors scattered throughout the sub who, on their own, could flip a switch or pull a lever to prevent a launch. A rogue captain would have to brainwash practically the entire crew into doing something it knew was seriously wrong. He found it impractical in the extreme."

But consider the senero of a utterly destroyed USA and everything they loved gone do really think the crew would not desire vengeance?

[Gaidin]

And they would do with absolute and complete surprise how? Invalid argument.

To add, odds are the launch trails are likely seen as soon as they launch. Two hours is a moot number.

[alhoon]

But consider the senero of a utterly destroyed USA and everything they loved gone do really think the crew would not desire vengeance?

First, that scenario wouldn't come to pass since nobody is sure they can take out USA before USA reacts. Blasting USA to oblivion loses whatever appeal it has when there's a good chance your whole country would be turned to ash too, even if you succeed to wipe USA out.

About the submarine crews: Well, they don't have the necessary codes whatever that 2001 article suggests. They just couldn't get the nukes to launch and arm.
But French, English, Indians and Pakistanis on one side and Chinese and Russians on the other side (and perhaps Indians and Pakistanis if Russia was wiped out of the map) would have the codes needed and would wipe out the aggressor.
So even if USA or Russia is wiped out without being able to fire a single missile in retaliation... the aggressor would be wiped out too by the other nuclear countries.

And before we go there... If Russia, China, USA, England, France, Pakistan or India are wiped out, especially by nukes the world's economy (including the economy of the aggressor) would plunge.

Wiping out such a country is just NOT WORTH the cost (let alone the risk of total obliteration)

As said by others, the launch would be detected early so there would be enough time for the Americans and all other nuclear powers to fully launch their entire nuclear arsenals.

Yes.
And if somehow the victim of the attack didn't have the time to react, the others would.

So, no chance for nuclear holocaust.

[conon394]

@alhoon

Umm I still think you are arguing with me for not any reason -

First I asserted that the probability of a massive Russian strike /sneak attack that would destroy all US response ability is more or less zero. Do you disagree.

You don't like my source than provide another.

But as things stand unless you can credibly show years of service on a US SSBN I am sticking with the reporting that while safe guards exist they depend on all the crew.

[alhoon]

First I asserted that the probability of a massive Russian strike /sneak attack that would destroy all US response ability is more or less zero. Do you disagree.

I agree 100%

You don't like my source than provide another.

But as things stand unless you can credibly show years of service on a US SSBN I am sticking with the reporting that while safe guards exist they depend on all the crew.

Meh... I just go with common sense here. As in, it's too risky to put the keys to the safeguards on bombs that could level a country solely on the hands of one crew or person.

[Winston Smith]

A) the current situation Russia faces is Russia's own fault and B) good luck trying to fight Cold War 2.0 with an economy smaller then Italy's.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

why are Nato and USA to blame for this?

[Gaidin]

why are Nato and USA to blame for this?

Russia gets to point fingers for their own people's sake as much as any other country. That's the benefit of being a political power of any size.

[Dr Zoidberg]

why are Nato and USA to blame for this?

Because Exarch said so.

Exarch, I just love how you blame everyone except Russia, yet this is your thread title:

Russia’s new military doctrine lists NATO, US as major foreign threats

Who is doing what to whom now?

[Thanatos]

We weren't major foreign threats before? I feel hurt. I thought you loved​ us, Russia!

[Condottiere 40K]

It's really just a re-statement of the previous policy; except the part where they send asymmetrical forces and agents into neighbouring countries to destabilize them first.

[Dante Von Hespburg]

Massive over-sensationalization here Exarch.

Firstly, when did Russia not view NATO and the US as a threat?

Secondly as many others have pointed out, they'll be no 'cold war 2.0'- Russia today is far far less capable than the Soviet Union, it's economy is insignificant in any meaningful area and indeed dwindling. It's sole reliance being oil.... which well look how that's turned out. Russia just isn't the power it used to be. Ukraine cost it even more and has set it further down the path of economic issues.

If you want a cold war, look to China, though China is actually very savvy about politics and economic mutual advantage (mostly) so i doubt they'd be so self destructive.

[ShockBlast]

As said by others, the launch would be detected early so there would be enough time for the Americans and all other nuclear powers to fully launch their entire nuclear arsenals.

[Condottiere 40K]

Also, as I recall, Soviet military middle management tended to be a tad skeptical when they detected nuclear launches.

[Gaidin]

Also, as I recall, Soviet military middle management tended to be a tad skeptical when they detected nuclear launches.

Well it's not like American Missile Command is publicly known for being top of the line either these days...