Tensions simmer in Missouri after the killing of another black teen by a white officer

[Trotzig/Konstante]

http://news.sky.com/story/1397150/cc...icer-shot-teen

Police have released CCTV showing the moment a black teenager appears to draw a gun before he is shot dead by a white officer in a killing that sparked more violent protests in Missouri.


The 18-year-old was killed at a petrol station in the St Louis suburb of Berkeley on Tuesday night.


Authorities said the officer was responding to a shop-lifting call at around 11.15pm when he saw two men and approached them.
CCTV video appears to show one of the men drawing and pointing a handgun at the officer.


St Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar said the officer stumbled backward and fired three shots, one of which struck the teenager.

Sorry, but the violent protests at this are an absolute joke. The evidence for the necessity of this shooting is blatant.

In this current climate, if you pull a gun on an officer and you expect NOT to be shot, you've got to have a screw loose.

This petulant kid has obviously wanted to scare the officer and, as a result of his reckless actions, has now gotten himself shot days before Christmas. Of course this is going to spark unrest and an outpouring of grief from the local community, but the fact remains that he made a very stupid decision.

What happens if the officer stands there a moment too long and allows the youth to shoot him? Then an officer dies days before Christmas, in the line of duty and the tension escalate no matter.

This is the lesser of two evils. This kid had plenty of previous for armed robbery, burglary and assault. The officer was doing his job. I know which one I'd rather still have in the local community.

And for people to protest this? They're either removed from rational logic or simply out to find any excuse possible to play the victim card.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30599575

The Mayor of Berkeley says the shooting of an 18-year-old black teenager cannot be compared to the shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson.
St Louis County police said the man who was shot in Berkeley had pulled a gun at a petrol station and pointed it at the officer.


Berkeley is about two miles from the suburb of Ferguson, where the 18-year-old Michael Brown was shot dead by a white officer.
Theodore Hoskins told reporters police had been "protecting the citizens of Berkeley".





I'm glad some semblance of rationality has been restored.

[mongrel]

I dare say people have figured out that an armed police officer killing an armed suspect is hardly remarkable.

[Trotzig/Konstante]

I dare say people have figured out that an armed police officer killing an armed suspect is hardly remarkable.

You'd like to hope so.

The 300 people that turned up, surrounded the officers and threw lit fireworks at them does beg to differ though...

[mongrel]

You'd like to hope so.

The 300 people that turned up, surrounded the officers and threw lit fireworks at them does beg to differ though...

Commonplace, whenever there is a fatality of any kind. Don't white people get upset if one of their own is slain? Or are we like goldfish, oblivious to the Circle of Life. What would be remarkable is if the video evidence is examined an told a different story.

[snuggans]

CNN was showing the video but for some reason it kept being paused/stopped immediately after you see someone extend an arm in the background, which they then highlight. but why does the footage stop there abruptly? is this how the CCTV footage released by the police is edited or is it the media's doing? now i know you can't be showing people getting killed on TV but at least blur something, whoever cut this footage cut it too short for me. i'd like to see the whole thing

[Trotzig/Konstante]

No. I've never seen white people do that. No.

Why you've made it about race though, I'm not sure.

[mongrel]

No. I've never seen white people do that. No.

Why you've made it about race though, I'm not sure.

White people don't react to a killing? Never?

You could have said tensions mount after killing of allegedly armed suspect by officer, but you did not. you did not, you defined the race of each.so take the forum to be idiots , if you are suggesting that your intent was not to bring race into this.

[Trotzig/Konstante]

White people don't react to a killing? Never?

You could have said tensions mount after killing of allegedly armed suspect by officer, but you did not. you did not, you defined the race of each.so take the forum to be idiots , if you are suggesting that your intent was not to bring race into this.

It is about race though isn't it? It's a black community reacting violently to a killing that, in my opinion, has done them a favour. A killing that was perfectly justifiable. Yet, here we have a community ready to crucify the police yet again. It's a joke.

I've not seen white communities come out and attack officers when an incident is occurring, no.

[Mementomoridc]

It is about race though isn't it? It's a black community reacting violently to a killing that, in my opinion, has done them a favour. A killing that was perfectly justifiable. Yet, here we have a community ready to crucify the police yet again. It's a joke.

I've not seen white communities come out and attack officers when an incident is occurring, no.

I think you hit the nail on the head but you should also take into account the small number of people taking to the streets. Unlike the other killings this was only a few hundred people not thousands. Which means that most people(black in this context since we cant separate race from this) know this was not the same as the other shootings.

As for the last sentence in your post, White communities do not come out about this here unless a minority community is affected is because we do not get shot for no damn reason at a rate high enough for it to become a big story.

[mongrel]

I think you hit the nail on the head but you should also take into account the small number of people taking to the streets. Unlike the other killings this was only a few hundred people not thousands. Which means that most people(black in this context since we cant separate race from this) know this was not the same as the other shootings.

As for the last sentence in your post, White communities do not come out about this here unless a minority community is affected is because we do not get shot for no damn reason at a rate high enough for it to become a big story.

I've not seen white communities come out and attack officers when an incident is occurring, no.

One case in point , after Bloody Sunday, 30,000 men marched to the British Embassy, in Dublin, attacked it with stones and bottles, then petrol bombs, burning it to the ground. Mementomoridc makes the point. People have issues with the authorities if they act beyond the law , and are not punished for it. There is no suggestion that this specific incident is anything other than a lawful response to a dangerous situation.

[nein]

>I dare say people have figured out that an armed police officer killing an armed suspect is hardly remarkable.

Don't underestimate the stupidity of these people, every dumb black gangbanger gunned down by a white police officer brings back the memory of slavemasters whip

[nhytgbvfeco2]

>I dare say people have figured out that an armed police officer killing an armed suspect is hardly remarkable.

Don't underestimate the stupidity of these people, every dumb black gangbanger gunned down by a white police officer brings back the memory of slavemasters whip

Those damn gangbangers.

[Exarch]

this isnt about racism at all; in fact, whoever reckons there's still racism problem in America is just plain deluding themselves. There's a negro President in the White House anyhow and negro actors, athletes and billionaires, so there's no racism at all in America, but the main thing is that there's now a black President so that means there can be no racism whatsoever in these United States

[Mementomoridc]

this isnt about racism at all; in fact, whoever reckons there's still racism problem in America is just plain deluding themselves. There's a negro President in the White House anyhow and negro actors, athletes and billionaires, so there's no racism at all in America, but the main thing is that there's now a black President so that means there can be no racism whatsoever in these United States

I don't know which was worse that i almost spit my drink on my keyboard/screen or that I almost fell out of my chair.
On the topic at hand though, this has little relevance to what we have been seeing for months now in the US. All of the other things that have happened are either obvious police overreach/brutality. This on the other hand unless there is something missing from the story is a strait up bad guy got shot cause he drew a gun, which imo should not even be news.

[Aanker]

Many things can be said about the way U.S. police handles criminality among minorities, and of course the generous use of guns, but I think this qualifies - as someone else said above - as a simple case of bad guy did a stupid thing and got shot for it. Since the response did not stand in proportion to that following the Ferguson shooting, I get the impression that most locals held that view as well.

There will always be those special snowflakes who go out of their way to find a reason to throw rocks at police. And it's not just black people, we have those types in Sweden as well, sometimes members of the far left or the far right. Eager to 'avenge', 'demonstrate their anger with the system' etc.

The one time where open resistance to the police might be justifiable is when said police is used as a tool of oppression. And even then, the response must be in proportion to the degree of oppression. In my view, the sit-ins of the Civil Rights Movement struck the perfect balance: defiance in the face of a wrongful law but harmless to those who after all were 'just doing their job'. As we ramp up the degree of oppression, though, we get things like Ukraine where special riot forces were tasked with shooting at demonstrators like cattle in a field; fighting back seems to me like something of a survival instinct in that case. (Obviously this isn't even close to Yanu's brutal but ultimately vain attempts to stay in power)

[Biggles]

As said before, seems to be less "racism" and more "self defence" in this case. It being so soon after more questionable events certainly spurred on them rioters.

[Tardi]

Killing the people is a huge problem for the USA, this in not only about the white policemen killing the black man in the street, but for the rest of the police killing the people in the streets, that is horrible.
Anyway some kind of racism is still problem, maybe even in police and that should be resolved by the means of power of the government. The Central official structures should work more on destruction of racism
in USA and in all over the world.

[Dave Strider]

There's evidence to suggest that the gun was planted, that the teen was pulling out a cell phone to record. In the full video, you can see him pulling something WHITE out of his pocket. His phone case was white, as has been seen in pictures from his facebook profile. Not many handguns I know of, aside from extremely rare and valuable ivory-handle revolvers, have white grips. The police in that area have planted guns on people they've killed before.

[Ataegina]

when a white caucasians get killed, nobody cares, a hispanic gets killed nobody cares, an asian gets killed nobody cares, if the police officer wich is black kills any citizen independent of their colour (from black to white) nobody cares, than if the police officer is white and kills one black person............. OH MY GOD, POLICE BRUTALLITY AND POLICE IS RACIST.........

sure is not ok to kill nobody, much less an authority. but what is visible is double standards and hypocrisy with use of old victimization for events of something long gone. yet a very useful and convinient excuse to self-victimize when something bad happens. shouldnt be double standards on society or law (ie: Hate crime label is one side law). the wrongfully decision by police force should be dealt as an issue of re-educate and re-learn the procedures and not being wrongfully misused for racial agendas to give excuse to start pillage and attacking everything under the banner of "its because of my colour, i can now rage and attack everything, i'm a victim".

[Gaidin]

What makes this one interesting is that the officer had a bodycam he should've been wearing and he's damn lucky there was a working camera at the gas station. It's not like he was going home, he was doing a business check. Politically, they might have thrown him to the wolves otherwise.

There's evidence to suggest that the gun was planted, that the teen was pulling out a cell phone to record. In the full video, you can see him pulling something WHITE out of his pocket. His phone case was white, as has been seen in pictures from his facebook profile. Not many handguns I know of, aside from extremely rare and valuable ivory-handle revolvers, have white grips. The police in that area have planted guns on people they've killed before.

You do know there are stainless steel handguns that would show up like that on that when you're either that far away or have to zoom in that much right?