White Power? Nazis? Bad guys?

[Giurza]

http://video.google.de/videoplay?doc...bc+documentary
this video was amazing. I actually found myself sometimes sympathysing those white guys... sometime I found myself horrifyied by their behaviour...
I thought Louis sometimes beeing somewhat way too intrusive. and by doing this he made those Nazis look better than they are for the most of time.

[wilpuri]

That BBC dude annoys me. Ok, these guys (I'm 10 minutes in) seem like real nutters. However, I remember the same guy doing a show in South Africa, and of course he wanted to expose South African whites for the racists pieces of excrement they are, so interviewed some sort of white (Dutch) separatist leader. He was an old man, and obviously not a very educated man. It was easy for someone like Louis to verbally demean him. But Louis obviously wasn't aware of the situation, of the murder of thousands of white farmers. He lacks any kind of objectivity, and has doesn't even want to understand the people he is interviewing. He wants to smear.

In this particular case (Metzger), they do it themselves because they are totally out there. The guy from South Africa was trying to deal with the realities that face the whites of the country, and Louis showed no interest in their side of the story.

[Siblesz]

That BBC dude annoys me. Ok, these guys (I'm 10 minutes in) seem like real nutters. However, I remember the same guy doing a show in South Africa, and of course he wanted to expose South African whites for the racists pieces of excrement they are, so interviewed some sort of white (Dutch) separatist leader. He was an old man, and obviously not a very educated man. It was easy for someone like Louis to verbally demean him. But Louis obviously wasn't aware of the situation, of the murder of thousands of white farmers. He lacks any kind of objectivity, and has doesn't even want to understand the people he is interviewing. He wants to smear.

In this particular case (Metzger), they do it themselves because they are totally out there. The guy from South Africa was trying to deal with the realities that face the whites of the country, and Louis showed no interest in their side of the story.

Objectivity whenever racism/class power is concerned is impossible in this day and age, my friend. You have to be a rainbow man if you want any inch of respect... You have to set logic aside and reach solely for base emotion. Never point to the fact that African Americans are putting themselves down, or that the PC attitude that modern society shows is stupidity to the bone, or that Islam in Europe is a dangerous threat that no one wants to deal with... I mean, the list goes on. It's forbidden territory.

[General Sun]

Objectivity whenever racism/class power is concerned is impossible in this day and age, my friend. You have to be a rainbow man if you want any inch of respect... You have to set logic aside and reach solely for base emotion. Never point to the fact that African Americans are putting themselves down, or that the PC attitude that modern society shows is stupidity to the bone, or that Islam in Europe is a dangerous threat that no one wants to deal with... I mean, the list goes on. It's forbidden territory.

Because it's not true.

Make a rational argument for either and I'll gladly debate with you.

[Giurza]

ok, after seeing the whole of the movie I came to certain conclusions.
to make it simple and quick this is how it looks like to me:
Louis is ignorant, subjective, intrusive and untolerant. apart from any antirasist ideas, one HAS to be polite and tolerant to other ideas and way of thinking EVEN if it is rasists (unless they are doing something illegal)
so from that movie I made my opinion about Louis, as a real *:wub:. while his presented picture of nazis (with few exeptions (like that of Skip guy, and Metzger guy)) is quite acceptable. they only say what they believe in... and apart that their opinion is rasist, it is only what it is - their opinion.
only thing that I realy understood from that movie is that Louis tryed like hell to portray those people as ignorant and intolerant bastards, but ended up in make himself look like that - ignorant and intolerant.

[wilpuri]

ok, after seeing the whole of the movie I came to certain conclusions.
to make it simple and quick this is how it looks like to me:
Louis is ignorant, subjective, intrusive and untolerant. apart from any antirasist ideas, one HAS to be polite and tolerant to other ideas and way of thinking EVEN if it is rasists (unless they are doing something illegal)
so from that movie I made my opinion about Louis, as a real *:wub:. while his presented picture of nazis (with few exeptions (like that of Skip guy, and Metzger guy)) is quite acceptable. they only say what they believe in... and apart that their opinion is rasist, it is only what it is - their opinion.
only thing that I realy understood from that movie is that Louis tryed like hell to portray those people as ignorant and intolerant bastards, but ended up in make himself look like that - ignorant and intolerant.

Well, I think its safe to say that most of the people depicted in that movie are in fact, ignorant and intolerant. Of course this doesn't mean, that there aren't any real issues underlying their politics. But yeah, Louis is does want to sensationalize rather than understand and make insightgul tv.

[Erik]

ok, after seeing the whole of the movie I came to certain conclusions.
to make it simple and quick this is how it looks like to me:
Louis is ignorant, subjective, intrusive and untolerant. apart from any antirasist ideas, one HAS to be polite and tolerant to other ideas and way of thinking EVEN if it is rasists (unless they are doing something illegal)
so from that movie I made my opinion about Louis, as a real *:wub:.

Uhm... you know what acting is?

Or did you really think this Louis character was like that?
Of course not, he only plays that he is naive and subjective...to get a point across (or just to make an interesting TV program).

The fact that so many people here sympathize with those Nazi's shows how intelligent his show is set up.

[wilpuri]

Uhm... you know what acting is?

Or did you really think this Louis character was like that?
Of course not, he only plays that he is naive and subjective...to get a point across (or just to make an interesting TV program).

The fact that so many people here sympathize with those Nazi's shows how intelligent his show is set up.

How many here sympathize with those Nazis?

[Bovril]

I think its important to see this film in terms of Louis' other work. He does not make serious political docementaries. He just finds wierdos and gets them to say and do wierd stuff. His apraoch is sort of gonzo-anthropology. He was out of his depth a bit here. But that doesn't change the fact that he succesfully got inside the day to day mindset of the people he was dealing with. He may not have engaged them politically in any sort of interesting way, but the did get to grips with how they live their lives. The trouble was, they are actually quite boring most of the time. Only that crazy agent guy was really good material for his sort of approach.

[Perikles]

This is Political, moved down into the 'pit...

[Last Roman]

while Louis may not have any fairness in his "reporting" none of these men/women deserve any respect or empathy.

I found it ironic that the Metzger has Japanese swords in his house.

[wilpuri]

I found it ironic that the Metzger has Japanese swords in his house.

Only to people unfamiliar with the WN movement. Japan is held in high regard by many Western nationalists, not just American White Nationalists or "pan-aryanists". :tooth:

It has to do with their successfulness as a homogenetic society (and staying that way), and of course, their warrior culture.

[Zenith Darksea]

I can't believe that there are actually people here who are apologists for these appalling Nazis. If I had criticisms of Louis Theroux, they would be that his attacks weren't subtle enough and/or very good. He could have found much better ways of showing what disgusting insanity these people's beliefs are.

I mean really, aren't you at all offended when the bald man says that we shouldn't lynch just one '******' at a time, but actually do away with them all at once? Or when he says that black people are intrinsically less attractive to look at than white people? Is nobody alarmed at the way that a woman in a modern, Western country is teaching her children that their race makes them superior to other people? This is the most foul, abominable behaviour, and it deserves to be taken apart.

[VALIS]

^^^

what did you want louis to say?
if he just walked in and said "you are all disgusting sick vile racists and you lot should be imprisoned" there wouldnt be much of a program to watch would there?

he couldn't just blatently attack them and insult them to there faces,or he wouldn't thave a show.

[hellheaven1987]

Sometimes I really think about what would happen if Axis won the WWII. I guess Nazi would probably declare Italians are "same as second race" and sent all of them to gas chamber. In the same time, Italians would also declare German were "inferior race" and sent all German to gas chamber too. Japanese would also declare Europeans were "barbarian and inferior race" and gave a brutal threat to any whites.

So, come on! What is the point to argue about race problem? People are just boring and trying to find something to argue. As I say before, human love violent, even when there is no reason to fight we will find some. Just think about it, instead of waste energy killing eachothers, we can use all the energy toward other useful thing such as space development. How much more advance we can achieve today?

Like I say, human being is the smartest and stupidest animal on Earth - killing their own brothers and destory their own house.

[Last Roman]

Sometimes I really think about what would happen if Axis won the WWII. I guess Nazi would probably declare Italians are "same as second race" and sent all of them to gas chamber. In the same time, Italians would also declare German were "inferior race" and sent all German to gas chamber too.

While there was certainly animosity between the Italians and Germans (Mussolini is quoted as saying something like "I suppose that I should be happy that Hitler has joined our side, but they are Germans, and will end up ruining our idea") and even then, southern Europeans were seen as "inferior" to northern Europeans. But if the Axis did win, I don't see them turning on each other.

[clementine]

So, come on! What is the point to argue about race problem? People are just boring and trying to find something to argue. As I say before, human love violent, even when there is no reason to fight we will find some. Just think about it, instead of waste energy killing eachothers, we can use all the energy toward other useful thing such as space development. How much more advance we can achieve today?

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RAE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I'm not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn't object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/

[Zenith Darksea]

he couldn't just blatently attack them and insult them to there faces,or he wouldn't thave a show.

No, I didn't say that. This is what I said:

If I had criticisms of Louis Theroux, they would be that his attacks weren't subtle enough and/or very good.

As you see, I said that he should have been more subtle and that his attacks should have been better. In other words, I didn't say that he ought to just go in and rant at them. Quite the opposite. Instead of telling them how wrong their ideas are (which he did), he should have found ways of showing them, and subtly.

But my main point was just how surprised I am to read people attacking the presenter for being 'too PC' rather than attacking his subjects for being unspeakably racist.

[wilpuri]

As you see, I said that he should have been more subtle and that his attacks should have been better. In other words, I didn't say that he ought to just go in and rant at them. Quite the opposite. Instead of telling them how wrong their ideas are (which he did), he should have found ways of showing them, and subtly.

But my main point was just how surprised I am to read people attacking the presenter for being 'too PC' rather than attacking his subjects for being unspeakably racist.

You are missing the point. I criticized Louis because he couldn't gather the objectivity to give a truly insightful look into this specific subculture. They're incredibly racist, ok, you don't even have to watch the documentary to know that.

[edders]

No, I didn't say that. This is what I said:



As you see, I said that he should have been more subtle and that his attacks should have been better. In other words, I didn't say that he ought to just go in and rant at them. Quite the opposite. Instead of telling them how wrong their ideas are (which he did), he should have found ways of showing them, and subtly.

But my main point was just how surprised I am to read people attacking the presenter for being 'too PC' rather than attacking his subjects for being unspeakably racist.

Chill out; there's pretty much unanimous agreement here that Nazis are bad, so most people don't feel the need to denounce them when they come up. People are just saying that there doesn't seem to be any real point to this program. Is Theroux actually trying to say something or playing for very cheap laughs?