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    Hi

    I bought the game yesterday (yes, bought a real copy for real money in a real shop). I skipped the tutorial campaign and jumped straight into a English grand campaign. I've only played for a few hours, and so far I'm quite happy about it. These are my thoughts:

    Battles
    I have only played two battles. One against a small rebel army and one against the entire Scottish army. Graphics first: They lag less, and the camera works much more fluently than in the demo.

    The AI also seems to behave a bit better. At least it charges with all melee units at the same time, and it lets its archers stay back under protective cover. One thing concerned me though: In the battle against the Scots. I got attacked by 3 armies. The largest one approached me head-on and the two smaller on both of my flanks. Instead of launching a coordinated attack, the smaller ones just stayed and watched, while I dealt with army at my front. Then I could deal with the flanking armies one at a time, while the other remained passive. It SEEMS the army AI does not take other friendly armies into account when assessing odds. But then again: coordinating multiple armies was next to impossible back then.

    Units break faster than in RTR, but they also recover faster. The net effect can be an untidy battlefield with lots of uncoordinated action and units that retreat for a short while, before they reengage. Kill ratios are also higher.

    Campaign
    Diplomacy seems to work! The AI seems to behave much more intelligently, and there's more of a reason to conduct active diplomacy. But I should probably play a bit more before my final verdict. I only have one major concern and one minor. Maybe the cardinal promotion is flawed. So far 5 cardinals have died, but not a single new one has been appointed. With this rate there will be no-one left in the council of cardinals in a few years. And then there's the merchant. I've sent mine to trade marble in northern Italy, but for a measely 9 florins a year it's hardly worth the trouble. Surely there are some 00's missing somewhere?

    The status
    So far I've destroyed the Scots and only need Wales before all the British isles are mine. Unfortunately France has finally decided to attack my stronghold Caen. I'm not that worried though. Both the castle and the garrison is strong, and I got my victorious northern army sailing out from England very soon. And even better: The king's younger brother is returning with his army, since the crusade against Antioch has been called off. Right now he is trying to make his way through Italy. Along the way his passing army has severely damaged my relations with the Byzantines, Hungarians and Venetians. If only I could negotiate a safe passage for the army ... now wouldn't that be a nice diplomatic option?

    rgds/EoE

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    Default Re: Got the game, my impressions

    In regards to armies standing and watching CA has already made a patch for that, scheduled to be released when the game was meant to be released, so expect it to be available in a few days.
    Oh, and damn you to hell

    (Actually it sounds like the game will all it should be).

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    How many years do you characters age per turn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Francis
    How many years do you characters age per turn?
    I haven't thought about that. But the game is 2 turns per year, so you do the math.

    rgds/EoE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Europe
    Units break faster than in RTR, but they also recover faster. The net effect can be an untidy battlefield with lots of uncoordinated action and units that retreat for a short while, before they reengage. Kill ratios are also higher.
    As i expected they won't give up easily from faster battles syndrome.Well, it does not matter. We have tons of highly talented modders already. They'll find a way to make it slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Legionaire
    As i expected they won't give up easily from faster battles syndrome.Well, it does not matter. We have tons of highly talented modders already. They'll find a way to make it slower.

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    Indeed that sounds really bad. Really bad.






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    So you mean the performance of the retail version is better than the Demo?

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    Default Re: Got the game, my impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by warblah
    So you mean the performance of the retail version is better than the Demo?
    Yes we want to know this. And are you talking about beta or gold demo?
    Thanks Emperor of Europe and have fun. Can you also clarify the dismount/mount ability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAESAR MAGNUS
    Yes we want to know this. And are you talking about beta or gold demo?
    Thanks Emperor of Europe and have fun. Can you also clarify the dismount/mount ability?
    I'm talking about both demos. But I don't have any hard numbers on FPS, it's just an impression. What I'm most glad about is that the camera seems to have been reworked, it really annoyed me in the demo.

    I haven't played so far into the game that I can say anything about dismount/mount ability. Come to think of it, my mailed knights could probably have the ability. I'll look into it, when I very soon clash with the French.

    Oh, and I'm at work now, so there's only so little I can answer.

    rgds/EoE

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    Default Re: Got the game, my impressions

    I have not been able to mount or dismount anything yet. I've used chivalric knights, feudal knights, crusader knights and mailed knights in the campaign so far. I can't find anything about it in the manual, either.

    And Emp is definitely right; the performance of the full game vs the demo seems vastly improved. I haven't encountered the frozen AI army bug yet, either, although in a custom battle vs the aztecs they stood stationary for ages before they decided to move, but that was probably because they were facing a long line of pikes.
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    Possible (hopefully) it will be patched due to the massive fan request.
    As with different turn/aging options.

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    Thanks for the report. I'm glad the engine seems smoother than the demo. I think it comes from the fact a demo has to be extracted from the original product, meaning it is usually less accurate than an overall gaming experience.

    As for the diplomacy, i'll have a glance at it by the end of the week. So enjoy the game, lucky you!
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    Please Please Ansewr This Question i never found a response for it

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67437

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    You know what would be really great? If you could tell us what difficuilty you play on, regarding the battle pace. CA said that the harder the difficuilty, the longer the battles are. So the battle-pace thing you said is worthless until you tell us which difficuilty you played on.

    Also, what unit size? Normal? Large? Huge? You were playing in the early era, right? Apparently, the battles are shorter in the early era, as most soldiers are of poor quality and have poor morale.

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    Default Re: Got the game, my impressions

    How works the militia system ?

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    Im going to ask everyone to hold back on the questions for Emperor of Europe, he's just got the game, let him play it.
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    I am playing on Medium everything, graphics, unit size etc.
    The militia system is simple and building-oriented. Certain guild buildings give you special milita units like merchant cavalry militia. So far I haven't seen any templar guilds pop up. Milita units are free of upkeep in cities - how many, I don't know - I've got six crossbow militias in Jerusalem at the moment and they're still free of charge.
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    Default Re: Got the game, my impressions

    Thanks Lusted.

    As I wrote: I'm also at work for the next hours (and then I'm playing), so there's not that much that I can look up for people or answer here and now. But I'll do my best.

    @Katsusand: I'll try and look for it. But as far as I can see in that thread of yours, others have tried in vain. So it seems that early unit has simply been changed or it has vanished.

    @InferiorBeing: I play at standard settings (except I've set advisor settings down). So it's medium difficulty and medium unit size.

    @Tovi: The militia system is great! In fact the entire recruitment system is. In an effort to strike a balance between the 0 and 1 turn recruitment proponents, MTW2 has a number of recruitment slots depending on type of settlement and size. These recruit and retrain multiple units in a single turn. Along with that comes a number of free militia - again depending on type, size and specific buildings. It will probably make rushing a lot more difficult than in RTW, since settlements can be protected without spiralling costs.

    rgds/EoE

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    Thanks Lusted.
    No problem, just thought you wouldn't want to be bombarded with questions.
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    Again how many years do your characters age per turn?

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