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    IMO we should have the 3 muslim factions occupied.The reason for that is that ERE still has a lot of space in europe to expand, while Turks can go north in russia, moors will prevent uncontroled expansion of italy and spain and Egypt is probably the strongest faction in the game anyway so taking them out would not be smart.The muslim factions usually cooperate with each other and provide support to one another.Also with the three muslim factions occupied the jihads are actually viable and an actual threath, otherwise crusades will just give an unfair advantage to catholics.Also the crusades/jihads are a really fun and a great addition to a HS since it gives it more depth to the game so we should not take them out.
    These are my thoughts on the game but the final decision will come from the admin.

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    I absolutely do not think we should have crusades/jihads but I'll play. I do however want to request lowering the princess % down to 30% from 60%.
    It is rare to have such good odds for even mediocre generals with a good princess and you can give loyalty anchillaries to generals to prevent being stolen.

    I have a 6 charm princess getting under 30% for a 5 star general with mediocre loyalty.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Luka View Post
    IMO we should have the 3 muslim factions occupied.The reason for that is that ERE still has a lot of space in europe to expand, while Turks can go north in russia, moors will prevent uncontroled expansion of italy and spain and Egypt is probably the strongest faction in the game anyway so taking them out would not be smart.
    I certainly agree about the moors being excellent to counter uncontrolled expansion, however all factions will easily expand nigh uncontested.
    Novgorod and England stand entirely unopposed, Denmark and Venice have excellent expansion opportunities and even the HRE is barely contained.

    With two factions in Iberia making it relatively cramped, I think we do not need the moors whilst it would not really hurt having them. A seljuk or Egyptian player will immediately be at odds with either ERE or KoJ with no expansions to make and make the east cramped as opposed to the rest of the world.

    Most likely, the east would either have to ally up or bleed each other to simply be overwhelmed by the other factions whom has been able to expand unopposed.
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    There is too much space in the north-east also.

    so the map is like that : england--uriyaca, castile-- LL, aragon --MKK, venice--ape, HRE--durex,denmark--mac,ERE--Mith,KOJ--Proto,novgorod--yuon.

    9 players by now.

    i suggest another a player for Hungary there is to much space there .

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    Ok so if everyone agrees with the faction list. All that is left is to have a consensus on the rules we start with and we are all good to go!

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    If Dur3x took a smaller faction in the east it would help some with balance if we are unable to find another player?
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    First of all where is dr Mac? and how do we know he wants Denmark ?? he quit all past HS . just saying .

    i m eager to start but , i want to play also . i don t sign for waiting here .

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    after long debate with Themz )) here is the map i think is the most balanced .

    better players should chose the faction that are week at start in this order ( i think) :

    1 ERE-mith
    2 Poland-durex
    3 Denmark -Dr mac
    4 France-
    5 Turks -
    6 Kiev -yuon
    7 Aragon-ape
    8 Venice- MKK
    9 Hungary -
    10Castile-LL
    11England-uriyaca
    12Egypt-Proto

    anyone agree with this???

    i dont mind to chose other factions aswell like france turks or hungary
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    Quote Originally Posted by yuonyuon View Post
    after long debate with Themz )) here is the map i think is the most balanced .

    better players should chose the faction that are week at start in this order ( i think) :

    1 ERE-mith
    2 Poland-durex
    3 Denmark -Dr mac
    4 France-
    5 Turks -
    6 Kiev -yuon
    7 Aragon-ape
    8 Venice- MKK
    9 Hungary -
    10Castile-LL
    11England-uriyaca
    12Egypt-Proto

    anyone agree with this???

    i dont mind to chose other factions aswell like france turks or hungary
    I will play as Aragon. I already play as Venice in BFE.

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    I agree with it. The only change i would make would be to remove hungary.I don't think Hungary should be human because ERE should still have some space to expand.Hungarian territory will be split between Venice, Poland, ERE and possibly Kiev anyway so.But everything else i like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Luka View Post
    I agree with it. The only change i would make would be to remove hungary.I don't think Hungary should be human because ERE should still have some space to expand.Hungarian territory will be split between Venice, Poland, ERE and possibly Kiev anyway so.But everything else i like.
    Due the lack of players , i totally agree.


    Also France is in a tricky position
    Last try : egypt is 11 )))
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    Why do we need the middle east that crowded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themzr View Post
    Why do we need the middle east that crowded?
    it is not crowded , the factions are just bigger than average.
    and trust me if you let egypt alone or KoJ it will be game over . i agree to cut another faction but not there .


    we could ad KOJ and remove Egypt and Turks but we have to cut the map even more , and no more jihads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuonyuon View Post
    it is not crowded , the factions are just bigger than average.
    and trust me if you let egypt alone or KoJ it will be game over . i agree to cut another faction but not there .
    The same could be said for Novgorod and England.
    If not for Proto being new to SS ( even if he is a good player ), I would absolutely agree as any faction that holds egypts lands + KoJ is very mighty.


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    We do not need a perfect spread or balance, are people even willing to just change faction?
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    we could add KOJ and remove Egypt and Turks but we have to cut the map even more , and no more jihads.
    I like, even if it will look ugly.
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    I absolutely like this setup, Hungary needs to be cut out and I do not think we should have Seljuks either.
    But if someone insists on Seljuk, I could move over to France and we'd have no ERE.

    France/HRE is a bit of a void but I think that is OK as all factions would have good opportunities to expand.
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    last offer

    faction in bad position at start :France(because we have good england player) and ERE, must be first in the turn order
    faction in very comfortable position like England and Egypt must be at the end.

    i suggest this : Venice,ERE,France,Poland,Denmark,Aragon,Castile,England,Egypt.

    Denmark have superior ships than Poland that why he is after .

    ok guys chose your factions and Themz if anyone agrees i think this setup is good enough.
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    I agree to taking Egypt. Thanks for the help from the experienced players.

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    Ok.... With this set-up I think it is best to remove crusades and jihad's....

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    France and Poland have too good of a starting position to be placed so high on the turn order.Both of them should come after castille. France should even come after England IMO considering how much more space it has to expand.

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    I am very happy with that map setup and it will be very hard to make it much better, Egypts position is amazing Whilst I think all factions have good potential and some great, none is in the gutter.

    Well done.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Luka View Post
    France and Poland have too good of a starting position to be placed so high on the turn order.Both of them should come after castille. France should even come after England IMO considering how much more space it has to expand.
    I absolutely think Poland must be before Denmark too, mostly because the ships as yuon say but also because the danish unit roster is awesomesauce whilst Polands is lackluster.

    If lazy, the only must change imo in turn order ( whom is similar to suggested ) is to put denmark after Poland - It is important.

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    I don't like the setup but considering the lack of players i guess there is no better way.

    Are you serious with Poland?Poland and Danes are of 1 turn distance with the ship.Ships won't be important if they actually end in war.
    Not to mention that Poland already starts with a fortress and a stronger army while Danes still have to take the fortress from HRE if they want one.
    And Polands unit roster is pretty good too.Poland should in no way be before Denmark.But that won't really be mine concern when the game starts so I don't really care.
    France is the only faction that really must be repositioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Luka View Post
    I don't like the setup but considering the lack of players i guess there is no better way.

    Are you serious with Poland?Poland and Danes are of 1 turn distance with the ship.Ships won't be important if they actually end in war.
    Not to mention that Poland already starts with a fortress and a stronger army while Danes still have to take the fortress from HRE if they want one.
    And Polands unit roster is pretty good too.Poland should in no way be before Denmark.But that won't really be mine concern when the game starts so I don't really care.
    France is the only faction that really must be repositioned.
    well Denmark have all Scandinavia at his feet.he has very good ships and can take Hamburg(with that princes) and Turku in turn 2 easily

    Poland on the other side have no mobility and his expansion will be slower than Denmark . about unit roaster i think they are even.

    What about France ?

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    Well it isn't all of Scandinavia, more like half (since the game cut the rest off).

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