[PREVIEW] New 'Religion' = Political/Regional Influence

[ABH2]

Introduction
So, I've implemented one of my old ideas tonight to turn the 'religion' feature into a form of political dominance you have in a region. First, to sum up what religion does:
1. Public order is greatly impacted by cultural/religious differences. It's the number one factor, really.
2. It impacts diplomacy.
3. You are able to set a modifier for each religion via another religion to control the pace of 'conversion.' This essentially allows for a very flexible system of relationships.
4. You are also able to set each region/faction to have a religion and a 'zeal' number that goes with it between 1 to 3. I'm not sure exactly what these do, to be honest. I would imagine it influences public order to a degree.

Yet, CA only provided 11 religions in the game. Since we've already added 20 new subcultures, I've basically used them as the blueprint for this with a few tweaks.

There are, basically, two sets of religions. One goes to the factions in the grand campaign, and the other goes to the subfaction/rebel factions as well as the regions. This depicts regionalism and the influence of local elites as well as tribal groupings who would resist the efforts of the dominant political faction/tribe to impose its will.

Screenshots

Regional Cultures:

1. African Tribes
2. Arabian Tribes
3. Armenian Nobility
4. Thracian Tribes
5. Venedic Tribes
6. Belgic Tribes
7. Berber Tribes
8. Britonnic Tribes
9. Caucasian Nobility
10. Celtiberian Tribes
11. Celtic Tribes
12. Celtic Tribes
13. Cisalpine Tribes
14. Dacian Tribes
15. Eastern Nobility
16. Egyptian Natives
17. Etruscan Elite
18. Gaelic Tribes
19. Gallic Tribes
20. Germanic Tribes
21. Greek Polis
22. Hellenistic Elite
23. Iberian Tribes
24. Illyrian Tribes
25. Italian Elite
26. Judean Zealots
27. Latin
28. Lusitanian Tribes
29. Sarmatian Tribes
30. Parthian Tribes
31. Persian
32. Pictish Tribes
33. Pontic Nobility
34. Punic Colonies
35. Saka Tribes
36. Scythian Tribes
37. Aquitanian Tribes
38. Turdetanian Tribes

Factional list:

1. African
2. Arabian
3. Armenian
4. Thracian
5. Venedic
6. Belgic
7. Berber
8. Britonnic
9. Caucasian
10. Celtiberian
11. Celtic
12. Celtic
13. Cisalpine
14. Dacian
15. Eastern
16. Ptolemaic
17. Etruscan
18. Gaelic
19. Gallic
20. Germanic
21. Hellenic
22. Hellenistic
23. Iberian
24. Illyrian
25. Italian
26. Roman
27. Lusitanian
28. Mauryan/Buddhist
29. Sarmatian
30. Parthian
31. Pictish
32. Pontic
33. Carthaginian
34. Saka
35. Scythian
36. Aquitanian
37. Turdetanian

I'm hoping this system will add immersion, realism (representation of different subcultures), increase the significance of cultures, slow down expansion, and make public order more difficult. It will also allow for a penalty related to 'distance from capital' in some cases, where as in others it can help with my goal of making different regions/areas/people have different relations for one another. For instance, Rome should have trouble controlling Judea. Here we have a Judaic religion (one of the few I added). The Ptolemies were conquerors. They had natives underneath them - as did the Hellenistic factions such as the Seleucids.

Tribal and Factional Politics
This ties into another feature of the mod - tribal politics. The bland, cut and paste political parties used by CA simply don't reflect the people of the period. Many of the 'factions' in game also depict confederacies or alliances ( the territory was inhabited typically by a number of tribes). To better reflect this reality, the political system for some factions will be used to show different tribal groups within a confederacy with the player representing the the dominant power. For instance, the Galatians were really a collection of tribes that formed a confederacy with the Tecotsages being the most powerful and influential. They met near a holy site near Ancrya. Political parties will be used to represent these different tribal groupings, and the balance of power will have varying effects on public order and civil war chances depending on the faction.

For the Greeks and Romans, we will attempt to show the real class and political divisions that existed in the particular society. For the Romans, the two major forces at play in politics were demagogic populists and the optimates. For the Spartans, reform efforts may lead to more political turmoil and unrest.

With 187 new rebel factions in the Grand Campaign that can actually take and hold territory, I think we have successfully created a highly dynamic campaign that reflects the ancient world as best as possible through the Rome 2 engine.

I'm curious on feedback.

[Petellius]

there are a few faction influences I would like to add/ change but we can talk about these things in PM. For a start Britain was anything but unified

[ABH2]

There long lists. The British aisles are already broken up into Britonnic, Gaelic, and Pictish subcultures plus the factional influence over the top.

The one thing to consider - I could add these all day, but as is we have over 6500x2 different relationships between these to balance. But, it will allow for a great deal of flexibility in the campaign dynamics as well as the depiction of different populations.

I'll try to break down the list into regional groups so it's more user friendly when I get a chance. Not a whole lot of activity here at the moment, and my focus is mainly on the modding first, promotion second.

[VINC.XXIII]

1. Italian Elite

1. Italian

Oscan or osco-umbrian sounds better if you ask me.

[ABH2]

Hey there. Nice to see you stopping by the forum.

You are right on the Osco-Umbrian designation. Would cover the rest of Italy and be less generic since I have Etruscan/Greek areas covered. Thanks.

[Litharion]

Interesting and well thought out idea.

[Petellius]

Interesting and well thought out idea.

leave it alone you

[ABH2]

Thanks, Litharion. Appreciate it. It's still a pain to implement. Having some issues with the AK setting the regional religion percentages in the startpos. Doing that all manually would make updating this startpos a pain (I'm trying to keep the startpos editing, outside buildings, to the AK) for future updates.

[ABH2]

Added a screenshot of a region with the new religions implemented to give a clearer picture of what this will look like in game.

[ABH2]

Screenshots

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

That sounds like a very good idea, and will certainly add some much needed immersion

[ABH2]

That's the idea. Just need to work on some of the names of the new religions.

[Tiger tank]

hey author CA will releach new camp map editor soon , so you guys can try creat completely new Grand camp map

[ABH2]

Unfortunately, creating an entire new map won't be possible with these tools. CA has their reasons/excuses for that. It doesn't appear as though we'd be able to add in new settlements at all, or move any for that matter. I plan to make as much use of them as I can to improve the campaign map and I'd love to make one that was more in-depth and represented certain areas better, but the tools won't allow that, really.

I was very underwhelmed by the announcement, personally.

[Petellius]

We will be able to redesign battlefields though, so at least that is something

[Petellius]

We will be able to redesign battlefields though, so at least that is something

(just saw this)
Ha yeah, sure.... thanks CA

[IamOdysseus]

Mistake post sorry.

[RecKooo]

I think we have successfully created a highly dynamic campaign that reflects the ancient world as best as possible through the Rome 2 engine.

I'm curious on feedback.

Wait, do you mean this will be featured in Rome 2 version of this mod? Or you simply use Rome 2 engine to mod things and then implementacja it into Atilla?

[ABH2]

This is a very old thread. The feature was for Rome II, and only partially/kind of adopted for Attila.